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Old 10-04-2009   #1
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Injectible "Birth Control" for Men

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/8289474.stm

Men wanted to test contraceptive

Scientists are seeking couples to take part in a trial of a new contraceptive injection for men.
A team from Edinburgh University is involved in the World Health Organisation research into the jab.
The scientists claim it can give much better protection against pregnancy than condoms.
And it is hoped the work could help pave the way for such a form of contraception to become more widely available.
Researchers at the University of Edinburgh are hoping to recruit 20 couples from the south east of Scotland to take part in the study - which is being run by the World Health Organisation.
Fully reversible
The injections contain the hormones testosterone and progesterone, and are given to the men every two months.
Sperm counts fall rapidly, and when these are low enough couples taking part in the trial would use the jabs as their method of contraception for a year.
Scientists also stress that the effects of the injections are fully reversible.
Professor Richard Anderson of Edinburgh University's reproductive and development sciences division said: "If this trial is successful I imagine there would be interest in looking at marketing the injection as a male contraceptive.
400 couples
"Even if not all men would be keen on an injection, there would definitely be a market to make such a treatment available."
The study will involve 400 couples from 10 centres across Europe, Asia, South America and Australia.
And Professor Anderson said: "This larger study is needed to add to the evidence as to how good these longer acting injections are and what couples think about it."
The study is looking to recruit couples where the man is aged under 45 and the woman is under the age of 37.


It will be interesting to see how this pans out, but it could be a revolution in birth control methods.
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Re: Injectible "Birth Control" for Men

So let me understand something...

The injections contain testosterone and progesterone,and when injected it caues sperm count to fall?
Wouldn't injecting testosterone increase sperm production and count?
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So let me understand something...

The injections contain testosterone and progesterone,and when injected it caues sperm count to fall?
Wouldn't injecting testosterone increase sperm production and count?
Men typically have much higher levels of testosterone than progesterone, so the treatment probably injects you with a more equal ratio. Then, since you're taking artificial testosterone, your balls will shrink and sperm production will go down.

That would be really cool if it works. Any word on the side effects? Taking artificial testosterone can have some pretty bad noticeable side effects. Benoit, anyone?
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Taking artificial testosterone can have some pretty bad noticeable side effects. Benoit, anyone?
It's been so long since anyone has talked about him that that reference is officially classified as "obscure".
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Men typically have much higher levels of testosterone than progesterone, so the treatment probably injects you with a more equal ratio. Then, since you're taking artificial testosterone, your balls will shrink and sperm production will go down.

That would be really cool if it works. Any word on the side effects? Taking artificial testosterone can have some pretty bad noticeable side effects. Benoit, anyone?
Yeah, but as we age, it tends to decrease anyways.
I would not take or inject anything that lowers my sperm count or testosterone, no matter what the reason.
As a matter of fact, I'm always trying to research and find natural ways to increase in the natural production of human growth hormone that is produced and secreted by our pituitary gland.
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That would be really cool if it works. Any word on the side effects? Taking artificial testosterone can have some pretty bad noticeable side effects. Benoit, anyone?
None were reported in the article, but of course there would be (just as there are for IUDs, oral contraceptives, and injection contraceptives for women). Any adjustment of hormone levels is going to cause some unwanted effects... but (as with female bc now) you have to balance the negatives against the positives and make an informed, personal decision.

I'm guessing that--besides testing effectiveness in humans--this trial will also show any horrid or prohibitive side effects.

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Yeah, but as we age, it tends to decrease anyways.
I would not take or inject anything that lowers my sperm count or testosterone, no matter what the reason.
As a matter of fact, I'm always trying to research and find natural ways to increase in the natural production of human growth hormone that is produced and secreted by our pituitary gland.
Why not?
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None were reported in the article, but of course there would be (just as there are for IUDs, oral contraceptives, and injection contraceptives for women). Any adjustment of hormone levels is going to cause some unwanted effects... but (as with female bc now) you have to balance the negatives against the positives and make an informed, personal decision.

I'm guessing that--besides testing effectiveness in humans--this trial will also show any horrid or prohibitive side effects.



Why not?
Why would a guy want to lower his sperm count and especially his testosterone levels for any reason?
Our natural hormone production already starts to decrease as we age, so why would we want to decrease them more? There are links to those hormones helping with the rebuilding and repairing of our cells, thus promoting better health and well-being. Among many other things, a decrease in testosterone levels in males can cause loss of energy, depression, fatigue, increased body fat, as well as decreased muscle mass, and all these things in turn do nothing but help speed up the aging process. So fuck that!
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Why would a guy want to lower his sperm count and especially his testosterone levels for any reason?
Our natural hormone production already starts to decrease as we age so why would we want to decrease them more? There are links to those hormones helping with the rebuilding and repairing of our cells, thus promoting better health and well-being. Among many other things, a decrease in testerone levels in males can cause loss of energy, depression, fatigue, increased body fat, as well as decreased muscle mass, and all these things in turn do nothing but help speed up the aging process. So fuck that!
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First, your testosterone level isn't inhibited--indeed, it is added to with artificial testosterone. The injection simply brings the level of progesterone up to the level of testosterone.

My question was poorly constructed; I intended to ask you why you wouldn't want a decreased sperm count as a form of birth control.

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Why would a guy want to lower his sperm count and especially his testosterone levels for any reason?
From another article on the same injection:

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Testosterone injections lead to a reduction in levels of two regulatory brain chemicals, follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and luteinising hormone (LH).
This in turn disrupts sperm production, but the effect is reversible.
Sperm counts return to normal four to six months after the injections are halted.

They actually increase your testosterone level, not decrease it. That, coupled with the reversible effects on sperm, wouldn't be too tough of a decision for me (if I were male).
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They actually increase your testosterone level, not decrease it. That, coupled with the reversible effects on sperm, wouldn't be too tough of a decision for me (if I were male).
yea, but everyone knows you want to bring back that eugenics movement, and chemically sterilize and what not, and control breeding and all.
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First, your testosterone level isn't inhibited--indeed, it is added to with artificial testosterone. The injection simply brings the level of progesterone up to the level of testosterone.

My question was poorly constructed; I intended to ask you why you wouldn't want a decreased sperm count as a form of birth control.



From another article on the same injection:




They actually increase your testosterone level, not decrease it. That, coupled with the reversible effects on sperm, wouldn't be too tough of a decision for me (if I were male).
Wouldn't an injection of testosterone natural or synthetic increase sperm count?

If the testosterone injections are synthetic, I would still say...no way.
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All this messing with the hormones stuff reminds me of a bizarre SF book I read some years back... can't recall the title or author... which depicts a world of the future where anyone who was young and had AIDS in the 90's could get a dead-sure cure for the disease. Those cured people went on to start families... whose children (get this!) SWAPPED GENDERS every 28 days!
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All this messing with the hormones stuff reminds me of a bizarre SF book I read some years back... can't recall the title or author... which depicts a world of the future where anyone who was young and had AIDS in the 90's could get a dead-sure cure for the disease. Those cured people went on to start families... whose children (get this!) SWAPPED GENDERS every 28 days!
The Breeds of Man, maybe?

http://www.amazon.com/Breeds-Man-F-M.../dp/0553270087

And I'm all for this. (Not the scenario in the novel, but the birth control for men).
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Even though not 100% full proof, I'll take my chances with a condom
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well, what do you think about female birth control then, funk?
Side effects or not, it's a choice you have to make for yourself.
If I were female, it would depend on how serious the side effects were and whether or not I felt the side effects on my health were worth it. Now if I had those gushing uncontrollable periods like some women do, I may consider taking it, so it depends on the situation.

But in terms of preventing pregnancy, condoms in my opinion are effective enough, especially if and when you use good enough judgment by making sure you use a condom that was just bought off the shelf not too long ago.
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Personally I think it's good. Guys always assume the woman will be more than happy to go on the pill or whatever so why shouldn't it work the other way round?
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Wouldn't an injection of testosterone natural or synthetic increase sperm count?

If the testosterone injections are synthetic, I would still say...no way.
The ratio of progesterone to testosterone is what controls sperm count, so raising the level of progesterone to match the level of testosterone (increasing both, but progesterone more) would decrease the sperm count.

What's wrong with synthetic testosterone? It's chemically the same as natural testosterone...

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Personally I think it's good. Guys always assume the woman will be more than happy to go on the pill or whatever so why shouldn't it work the other way round?
Or both? I mean, another level of protection from pregnancy is always a good thing if you're wanting to avoid spawning...
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Re: Injectible "Birth Control" for Men

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Personally I think it's good. Guys always assume the woman will be more than happy to go on the pill or whatever so why shouldn't it work the other way round?
I don't make that assumption at all. Birth control for women can cause some side effects like weight gain and mood swings that I personally wouldn't want to experience myself.

If a girl has really bad periods or really bad acne, I would tell them to consider taking the pill for those reasons. Otherwise, I would be more inclined to neither discourage or encourage them to take it, because in that situation it would be a matter of their choice and their choice only.

Also, consider that I'm at a point in my life where even though I don't care one way or the other if I have a child, the thought of having a child now is not such a scary thing for me as it may have been 5-10 years ago. So if I were to get a girl pregnant, I would be more excited and happy about it than anything else.
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