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Old 08-08-2015   #1
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The Nonsense of Donald Trump

Conservatives and maybe people in general are tired of lobbyists and special interest groups in bed with politicians. Conservatives are flocking to support Trump, because Trump is calling out that same establishment as "stupid" or "what they are doing hasn't been working." Then during the first debate Trump explains that he gives money to all kinds of politicians in order to get what he wants, even (pathetically) paying people to attend his wedding. This is essentially the same kind of behavior we have with the politicians (Democrats and big establishment GOP/RINOs and special interest lobbies). In other words, Trump admitted to doing the same thing politicians do that we're all sick off, yet Trump is the answer to what we're all sick off? Um yeah, Comservatives can take the Trump blinders off now. I see the same thing happening that happened in 2008 with Obama. That is, support based on nothing but emotion. Yes, I'm admitting that both liberals and conservatives are guilty of this...it is what is wrong with American right now.
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

Your boy Cruz is polling at less than 6%. Must be embarrassing to be losing by 20 points to someone as awful as Trump.
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

We'll see how it plays out. It's still early yet. At this time leading up to the 2008 elections, Giuliani had almost twice the support that Donald Trump has as the current front runner. His lead was far more substantial, too. And Giuliani held the poll position in the Fox News, USA Today/Gallup, ABC News/Washington Post, Pew Research, Hotline, Rasmussen, Newsweek, NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, and CNN polls at this time in the 2008 cycle. Fred Thompson, who was at 2nd place in the polls was also ahead of where Trump is now. But once the actual voting began come January neither Giuliani nor Thompson won a single state.

Edit: This just in: first post-debate poll. Ted Cruz has moved into second place with 13%.
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

Drudge poll, Cruz is at 13% since the debate and here'so another new poll that shows his ratings surge...

http://libertynews.com/2015/08/break...fiorina-surge/
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

13% is still significantly less than 23%. We'll see. The candidates are all equally awful to me.

The Drudge poll has Trump at 45% compared to Cruz's 14% (http://www.drudgereport.com/now.htm), but polling your own users online (Drudge and Grassfire) has to be taken with a large grain of salt, the Grassfire one especially as the pre-debate poll had 30,000 responses and the post-debate poll around 5,000 responses (such a comparatively small sample size is more likely to have skewed results based on the self-selection).

The NBC poll also shows that 54% of post-debate Trump supporters would vote for him even if he didn't win the nomination (and he's threatened to run as an independent if the GOP doesn't play nice), which is bad news for the GOP unless they give him the nomination. (http://www.pdf.investintech.com/prev...986/index.html)
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

So even though my thread here wasn't about promoting Ted, but about debunking Trump hype, you figure the polls were credible enough to use to take a jab at Ted Cruz. Since you mentioned it, I figure I share the increase in his poll ratings. (And re: "self-selection," of course the polls at this point are about who the Republican constituency would support the most to the least. Also, see #18 in the last link you posted). Anyway, the polls via use of general 6% figure was credible to bash Cruz, but when pointed out Cruz's polls have shown to just about double since this first debate, then all of the sudden they're not credible.
Okay, I see how that works now.

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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

The particular polls you posted, where users of conservative websites are the only ones polled, are not as credible and also explain why they have different results (online polls are easily manipulated, and people generally follow news sites that they agree with so it's likely that Cruz supporters and Trump supporters will follow different sites). The NBC poll is credible. More polls will come out tomorrow and Tuesday, and we'll see what the consensus is.

Regardless, Trump's popularity and the loyalty of his supporters have the potential to split the party.

Based on the low-ball questions fed during the debate, it seems like Fox is backing Bush, and Christie seems to be out entirely.

It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months.
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

If a Republican has to win the next federal election I would prefer Rand Paul, as he was the only politician with balls to stand against the NSA and the PATRIOT act. The other candidates are nothing but clowns that pander to Nationalists and nothing else that is new.
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The particular polls you posted, where users of conservative websites are the only ones polled, are not as credible and also explain why they have different results (online polls are easily manipulated, and people generally follow news sites that they agree with so it's likely that Cruz supporters and Trump supporters will follow different sites). The NBC poll is credible. More polls will come out tomorrow and Tuesday, and we'll see what the consensus is.

Regardless, Trump's popularity and the loyalty of his supporters have the potential to split the party.

Based on the low-ball questions fed during the debate, it seems like Fox is backing Bush, and Christie seems to be out entirely.

It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months.
Right now, while the Republicans are campaigning against each other, that is what those polls are about,....for the Conservatives and GOP base and who they like over the other. So of course they are the only ones polled (for the most part) now.

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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

Rand Paul seems like a good. Though I still have many concerns about him and his support of RINO Ditch McConnell. I think the solution between the argument Rand had with Chris Christie during the debate is a balance somewhere between both of their answers and viewpoint when it comes to stopping terrorism. Intel has to be both more aggressive yet more thorough when finding terrorists.

Right now, Rand Paul is frustrated and his campaign is really struggling. 3 people on his campaign were just busted for criminal and shady campaign practices while working cor Ron Paul's campaign last election cycle.

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Right now, whIle the Republicans are campaigning against each other, that is what those polls are about,....for the Conservatives and GOP base and who they like over the other. So of course they are the only ones polled (for the most part) now.
That wasn't my point at all. Of course only registered republicans should vote in these primary polls*, but polling the users of a particular website is not necessarily a good indicator of all registered republicans (i.e. the users of Drudge are different than the users of LibertyNews). This is why polls are typically held to scrutiny of sample size and technique, as well as averaged together.

*Except in states with first past the post/runoff primaries rather than party primaries.
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

I look at Trump as the only positive candidate and here's why:

He's not funded by special interest.

He's not a political insider.

Trump is just liberal enough to poach moderates, independents, and blue dog democrats. No other republican candidate can do this.

The political contributions he made were while he was a private citizen and not a politician. It occurs to me that to be successful in big business today one has to grease the political wheels. Regulation the way it is, one has to curry political favor because what is going on is essentially a government choosing of business winner and losers. You must make sure you are on the winning side of political choices or you essentially are a loser and fall prey to the regulation. I think Trump detests this process and aims to change it.

He cannot afford to not build a wall on the border. Not that I have any idea that a wall will be effective. What I do know is that amnesty doesn't work...because Reagan tried it 30 years ago, and we still have this problem. I'm willing to try the wall because it's the only option on the table that isn't amnesty and because both the republican party and democrat party establishments hate the idea for various reasons. The democrats like the voters they get and the corporations that buy republican politicians like cheap labor. This is why neither party seems to want to do anything about this issue regardless of who holds power.

I want to vote for the candidate that my enemies hate most. My enemies are the religious right, the economically political left, and the two party establishments (which I theorize is the same entities).

Chief among Trump's positives is that he is taking the teeth away from the political ruling class's attack dog media. They've called him racist and stupid and every other pejorative and he still leads in the Republican primary. The media being rendered impotent will allow for rational discourse. We can have an honest debate about how blitheringly idiotic Bernie Sanders style economics are and other such obfuscated topics. No other candidate has this positive.

Trump is running and winning without spending oodles of cash. If he does this and is successful, it will open the door in future elections for politicians to run and win without having to be bought and traded by special interests. We can get principled individuals elected.

Lastly, I can eliminate every other candidate. Kasich's potential candidacy comes only as a political operative of the establishment because clearly he can't get the votes for the nomination. Sanders has some nice calls for reform but the man is either so ill-informed or so ill-intentioned that he is calling for a doubling down on the exact policies that got us here. The man is a laughing stock economically. Clinton has a long line of political corruption going back 50 years. Of all the candidates, she's the absolute worst. People think she's had folks killed to hide her real estate corruption. Not to mention the silencing of the Cosby-esque list of women that claim Bill raped them. She's an accessory after the fact and should be prisoned. That brings me to Cruz:

Cruz has political ties to the Bushes (Bush Sr. is his admitted political mentor) and money ties to big banks via his wife (Goldman Sachs high up executive and he's already had campaign money issues with reporting money in regards to Goldman Sachs). He's party establishment and big money wrapped all in one. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. But even if we want to ignore this, he cannot win the primaries via delegates. At this point he needs north of 80% of the delegates, and he's not beating Trump in California or any of the north east states. So he's not going to be able to do it that way. His only road to nomination is at a contested convention. The party establishment will not elect him at a contested convention unless they can buy him, meaning the only way to elect Cruz to the presidency is to turn him into Jeb Bush. Even if he keeps his principles, supporting him now only allows the establishment to steal the nomination from the only candidate they can't control. There is also a problem with his inability to collect voters from any demographic other than the extreme religious right. He will lose to Clinton without exception because of this. His voting base is just too small. Another problem is the issue of his birth. Hillary has already stated she'd sue to have his citizenship reviewed by the Supreme Court. Anyone think a left leaning court is going to find in his favor? Give him the nomination and the Supreme Court will disqualify him, giving Hillary the win by default. Lastly, all this talk of ending the IRS is due to his backers. Robert Mercer is his biggest backer. He's a hedge fund manager that owes the government serious money. Does it benefit him to not have an entity that will enforce his government debts? I think so.
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I'd like to weigh in as a left-leaning Canadian here. I believe we're all sitting back and watching Trump burn the world. And a future with him as president terrifies me. I agree that much of the dumb crap he says will not come into fruition however it is the ideas themselves that are scary. The things he says have power, weight, and supporters behind them and can effect popular opinion. His ideas could gain movement if he were president.. and then 20 years down the road women have less rights than now, and no refugee would ever be able to enter the US... Moreover, Canadians are in some ways influenced by American politics so it would only be a matter of time until we followed suit...
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Things with Trump could be so funny if they weren't so threatening sad. He can't be serious with what escapes his mouth on an almost daily base?

Hamana just sent me a neat article: North Korea praises Trump and urges US to reject 'dull Hillary'
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I look at Trump as the only positive candidate and here's why:

He's not funded by special interest.

He's not a political insider.
Even during the primaries, Trump was not necessarily funding his own campaign like he claims. As Trump portrays himself as anti-Superpac, Trump still benefits from SuperPacs. Some of which don't have his approval, but some do. He certainly isn't or hasn't stopped any of them...

http://www.redstate.com/2016/01/22/e...-donald-trump/

Trump is not necessarily funding his own campaign like he claims. As Trump portrays himself as anti-Superpac, Trump still benefits from SuperPacs. Some of which don't have his approval, but some do. He certainly isn't stopping any of them...

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...#ixzz3wBOYTijN

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/c...le=2016&type=f

https://www.makeamericagreatagainpac.com/

http://www.artofthedealpac.com/

http://letstrumppolitics.org/

And then there is the George Soros connection...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...tal-management

Trump's biggest donor is MDC Holdings, owned by Larry Mizel. Larry is a Life member of Council on Foreign Relations.

And he has donated to liberals and RINOs (https://theintercept.com/2015/08/07/donald-trump-buy/ ) to implement the very policies that are destroying the country most of which he is either apathetic to kr still advocates for.

100% of the money raised on the site goes directly to Donald Trump’s personal non-profit foundation, according to a disclosure listed at the bottom of the page.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/01/28/...al-foundation/

Trump's history and record of donations Dems and RINOs. Trump is the lobbyist's lobbyist, and that is anything but being an outseider...

4/7/10 $1,000 Schumer, Charles E (D); 2/18/10 $2,000 Weiner, Anthony D (D); 12/11/09 $1,600 Schumer, Charles E (D); 12/11/09 $400 Schumer; $2,400 Crist, Charlie (3); 10/16/09 $2,400 Crist, Charlie (3); 8/18/09 $1,000 Maloney, Carolyn B (D); 8/11/09 $2,000 Nelson, Bill (D); 5/20/09 $2,000 Schumer, Charles E (D); 3/26/09 $2,400 Reid, Harry (D); 4/30/08 $6,900 Andrews, Robert E (D); 3/31/08 $1,300 Specter, Arlen (R); 3/28/08 $5,000 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D); 1/31/08 $25,000 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D); 12/31/07 $1,050 Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte (D); 12/15/07 $1,000 Maffei, Dan (D); 12/11/07 $1,050 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D); 11/12/07 $600 Clinton, Hillary (D); 10/15/07 $1,000 Specter, Arlen (R); 9/24/07 $2,300 Weiner, Anthony D (D); 9/5/07 $1,000 Rocque, Michael R (R); 8/27/07 $2,300 Rangel, Charles B (D); 8/27/07 $2,300 Rangel, Charles B (D); 5/2/07 $1,000 Menendez, Robert (D); 5/2/07 $1,000 Durbin, Dick (D); 3/31/07 $1,700 Clinton, Hillary (D); 3/31/07 $2,300 Clinton, Hillary (D); 11/1/06 $200 Clinton, Hillary (D); 11/1/06 $2,100 Clinton, Hillary (D); 9/26/06 $7,500 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D); 9/12/06 $1,000 Maloney, Carolyn B (D); 6/19/06 $15,000 Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte (D); 6/19/06 $20,000 Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte (D); 5/31/06 $1,000 Menendez, Robert (D); 3/1/06 $2,100 Rangel, Charles B (D); 3/1/06 $1,900 Rangel, Charles B (D); 3/1/06 $5,000 National Leadership PAC (D); 12/15/05 $1,000 Ford, Harold E Jr (D); 12/2/05 $1,000 Clinton, Hillary (D); 9/30/05 $900 Clinton, Hillary (D); 8/31/05 $1,000; Lieberman, Joe (I); 8/17/05 $1,000 National Leadership PAC (D); 6/16/05 $500 Kennedy, Patrick J (D); 4/13/05 $2,000 Lautenberg, Frank (D); 4/13/05 $5,000 New Jersey First (D); 4/13/05 $1,000 Lautenberg, Frank (D); 4/13/05 $2,000 Lautenberg, Frank (D); 4/6/05 $5,000 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D); 3/28/05 $1,000 Berkley, Shelley (D); 3/23/05 $1,000 Clinton, Hillary (D); 9/28/04 $25,000 Democratic Senatorial Campaign Cmte (D); 1/7/04 $1,000 Schumer, Charles E (D); 12/26/03 $2,000 Daschle, Tom (D); 12/26/03 $2,000 Daschle, Tom (D); 12/19/03 $1,000 Kennedy, Edward M (D); 10/28/03 $1,000 Dodd, Chris (D); 9/30/03 $2,000 Rangel, Charles B (D); 9/30/03 $500 Rangel, Charles B (D); 9/16/03 $500 Specter, Arlen (R); 6/24/03 $2,000 Kerry, John (D); 6/2/03 $1,000 Kennedy, Patrick J (D); 3/21/03 $2,000 Reid, Harry (D); 3/21/03 $2,000 Reid, Harry (D); 10/28/02 $1,000 Gephardt, Richard A (D); 10/25/02 $1,000 National Leadership PAC (D); 10/8/02 $25,000 DSCC/Non-Federal Unicorp Assoc (D); 10/4/02 $1,000 Parker, Susan D (D); 9/5/02 $1,000 Dodd, Chris (D); 8/19/02 $1,000 Shriver, Mark Kennedy (D); 8/7/02 $1,000 New Jersey United (D); 5/2/02 $1,000 Rangel, Charles B (D); 5/1/02 $1,000 Clinton, Hillary (D); 12/31/01 $1,000 Biden, Joseph R Jr (D); 12/28/01 $1,000 Hollings, Fritz (D); 12/17/01 $1,000 Bowles, Erskine B (D); 8/31/01 $1,000 Dodd, Chris (D); 6/29/01 $1,000 Rangel, Charles B (D); 6/2/01 $1,000 Kennedy, Patrick J (D); 3/28/01 $1,000 Baucus, Max (D); 12/15/00 $500 Kerry, John (D); 11/13/00 $5,000 DSCC/Non-Federal Individual (D); 11/6/00 $5,000 DCCC/Non-Federal Account 5 (D); 6/7/00 $1,000 Democratic Congressional Campaign Cmte (D); 5/23/00 $750 Schumer, Charles E (D).

https://www.conservativereview.com/c...t-of-the-steal

"Reporters, competing Republican candidates, and voters would learn a lot about Trump if they asked for complete answers to these 21 questions."...

http://www.alternet.org/21-questions...9Nvjps.twitter
And then there is the George Soros connection...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...tal-management

In addition to the money Trump needs to compete with his friends, the corrupt Clinton machine, he also needs donations to help pay the loan he owes to his other billionaire buddy George Soros. He owes Soros A LOT of money.

https://www.conservativereview.com/c...h-george-soros

Their association is deep and wide with Trump going to bat for Soros and Soros and Donald making lots of money together.

Back in 2011 at a Tea Party Rally, when asked about George Soros, did Donald Trump really say:

"Forget Soros. Leave him alone. He's got enough problems. What about Soros, let's talk about somebody else, sweetheart."

Link to You Tube audio Trump audio from Trump himself starts at 16 seconds in...

https://youtu.be/MRT_y1DBlV0

Make what you want of it one way or the other, but the Trump Soros association is real and it is long and strong.

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Trump is just liberal enough to poach moderates, independents, and blue dog democrats. No other republican candidate can do this.
Trump is a big government authoritarian populist and a nationalist. Nationalism is typically just a step or two away from racism, and nationalism is what is the opposite side of socialism on the same coin, not Constitutional Conservatism. That being stated, Trump's favorite political party is Trump. On the personality side, he is very liberal, which will come through big time in his policies if he gets elected and no longer needs anybody's votes to pander on about.
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The political contributions he made were while he was a private citizen and not a politician. It occurs to me that to be successful in big business today one has to grease the political wheels. Regulation the way it is, one has to curry political favor, because what is going on is essentially a government choosing of business winner and losers. You must make sure you are on the winning side of political choices or you essentially are a loser and fall prey to the regulation. I think Trump detests this process and aims to change it.
This is a soundbite Trump supporters are repeating from Trump with blind faith. Donald's support for Kamala Harris and Gavin Newsome, politicians in California, cannot be written off as standard business bribes. It is just like the money he gave to Rahm Emmanuel, Rod Blagojevich, Chuck Schumer, Harry Reid, and Hillary Clinton. Donald gave that money, because he supports those people and what they stand for -- (i.e. sanctuary cities harboring illegal aliens. In other words, he helped fund illegal immigration.

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016...t-politicians/

"Trump’s specific donations to parties, organizations, and candidates reveal considerable generosity to Democrats, liberals, and numerous politicians who have landed in deep ethical trouble or actually been convicted of corruption. Highlights follow."...

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...mocrats-crooks

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He cannot afford to not build a wall on the border. Not that I have any idea that a wall will be effective. What I do know is that amnesty doesn't work...because Reagan tried it 30 years ago, and we still have this problem. I'm willing to try the wall, because it's the only option on the table that isn't amnesty,
While Trump would work diligently to deport all illegal immigrants-he has even proposed creating a “deportation force”-most would be surprised to learn that he would welcome the non-violent, “good” ones back in on an expedited basis. An expedited basis means line-cutting, and line-cutting means amnesty." This is called "touchback amnesty," which is the most costly to American tax payers.
Read more...

http://www.redstate.com/diary/southe...hback-amnesty/

While Trump was advocating for Amnesty, donating to liberals and voting for Democrats:
2012 Cruz in "The Belo Debate" on Border wall and personal liberty http://youtu.be/jEgJh-1i1Cw
2012 Stossel piece on Cruz position on amnesty & border wall http://youtu.be/IrG0I7x5KkQ
2012 Telemundo report in which senate Candidate Ted Cruz against amnesty sounds like presidential candidate Ted Cruz of today! Where was the Donald?http://youtu.be/VqzdAQfIC3Q
2013 Cruz debates Schumer in Meet the press on amnesty http://youtu.be/jcmCFZZL7tM
2013 Cruz amendment to put accountability and teeth into flimsy immigration bill 2913 Judiciary committee http://youtu.be/l6bBi2Het6k
2013 Cruz leads fights GOP against Obama amnesty bill http://youtu.be/6gnhmBrEHY4
2014 Cruz on Obamas Illegal amnesty https://youtu.be/KROQOLBXAfY
2014 Cruz on Bloomberg regarding amnesty and immigration http://youtu.be/2JlYilnWjfw
2015 July interview with Gretchen Carlson on border crisis http://youtu.be/dD7NF5pDRzs
2015 July Cruz on senate floor on securing the border http://youtu.be/SDIicNRP3K0
2015 Cruz leads ICE judicial hearing on criminal illegals http://youtu.be/MKX49_sGrEU
Cruz on Border crisis hurting kids http://youtu.be/ttbMqn-m7zA
Cruz killing amnesty bill Feb 2014 https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded

Trump supported amnesty in 2013...

http://www.texasgopvote.com/immigrat...-bucket-005256

http://therightscoop.com/so-heres-th...nesty-in-2013/

Trump was for amnesty not too long ago, just this past June 2014...

http://www.alipac.us/f9/trump-backed...t-june-326908/

And still is pro amnesty...

http://www.newsweek.com/who-knew-tru...igrants-395512

Trump is pro-amnesty. It''s called touchback amnesty, and his own son want's you to know that...

http://www.redstate.com/diary/southe...r-deportation/

Trump is not really against H1B visas...

http://www.businessinsider.com/donal...workers-2015-7

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...0.cms?from=mdr

Trump endorses ultimate pro-amnesty RINO Renee Elmers in her North Carolina congressional primary, simply because she endorsed him. Yeah, that's some revolution the Trumpites have going on....

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/0...rsement-223909
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and because both the republican party and democrat party establishments hate the idea for various reasons. The democrats like the voters they get and the corporations that buy republican politicians like cheap labor. This is why neither party seems to want to do anything about this issue regardless of who holds power.
Now this is correct overall, but not all Republicans fit into this box like Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Rand Paul

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I want to vote for the candidate that my enemies hate most. My enemies are the religious right, the economically political left, and the two party establishments (which I theorize is the same entities).
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Chief among Trump's positives is that he is taking the teeth away from the political ruling class's attack dog media. They've called him racist and stupid and every other pejorative and he still leads in the Republican primary. The media being rendered impotent will allow for rational discourse. We can have an honest debate about how blitheringly idiotic Bernie Sanders style economics are and other such obfuscated topics. No other candidate has this positive.
Trump has 100% celebrity name ID and received over 2 billion dollars worth of free media exposure.
Rational discourse from a candidate who entertains National Enquirer garbage stories as news?

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Trump is running and winning without spending oodles of cash. If he does this and is successful, it will open the door in future elections for politicians to run and win without having to be bought and traded by special interests. We can get principled individuals elected.
See previous post above.

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Lastly, I can eliminate every other candidate. Kasich's potential candidacy comes only as a political operative of the establishment, because clearly he can't get the votes for the nomination.
Kasich is heart and soul a blue dog Democrat and served the establishment as a spoiler vote against Ted Cruz. notice how he played stupid and stayed in even though he never had any chance whatsoever, but then dropped out after Ted suspended his campaign?

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Sanders has some nice calls for reform, but the man is either so ill-informed or so ill-intentioned that he is calling for a doubling down on the exact policies that got us here. The man is a laughing stock economically.
Agreed. Though with Sanders, at least you know what you are going to get. Agree with him or not. That's what I respect about him. Is like Ted Cruz, he is principled and stays true to his principles. They are both on the opposite side of the ideological spectrum, but if it would of came down to Ted Cruz vs Bernie Sanders, at least the American people would of finally had a real distinctive choice, where you know what we're going to get with each candidate.

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Clinton has a long line of political corruption going back 50 years. Of all the candidates, she's the absolute worst. People think she's had folks killed to hide her real estate corruption. Not to mention the silencing of the Cosby-esque list of women that claim Bill raped them. She's an accessory after the fact and should be prisoned.
Agreed on this too, but if it comes down to her vs Trump, I'm at peace with the hamilton rule. Right now I fully support Kandal Unruh and Steve Deace's FREETHEDELEGATES movement. http://www.freethedelegates.com

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That brings me to Cruz:

Cruz has political ties to the Bushes (Bush Sr. is his admitted political mentor) and money ties to big banks via his wife (Goldman Sachs high up executive and he's already had campaign money issues with reporting money in regards to Goldman Sachs).He's party establishment and big money wrapped all in one. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing
Ted worked on George W Bush's 2000 as a domestic policy advisor. George W Bush ran on a much more Conservative limited government ideology back then. By the way, George W Bush is on record stating he doesn't like Ted Cruz and here probably the reason why...

http://constitution.com/one-supreme-...-constitution/

https://www.conservativereview.com/c...hates-ted-cruz

Ted Cruz also turned down a white house position from George W Bush...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/te...hite-house-job

Why would Ted Cruz wants to shut down the UN if he is a globalist?

Ted Cruz position on UN...
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...hts-commission

Ted Cruz discusses Agenda 21 and the UN'S goals to ruin United States sovereignty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETm...ature=youtu.be

Ted is FIGHTING TO STOP GOVT TAKE OVER OF INTERNET...
http://www.rfdtv.com/story/30144163/...in-rural-areas

I guess if you ever worked as an investment banker, then that automatically makes you evil globalist plotting a one world government, huh? Also, did you know that Heidi Cruz sat on a committee for CFR as a term member for one year where she simply contributed a dissenting view FOR the free market on a report? I guess that makes her the "evil global takeover lady," and Cruz guilty by association, huh? Then there is the TPA, which Cruz voted against, because it funds the import/export bank. If anybody has been paying attention, that was what the whole dispute between Ditch McConnell and Ted Cruz was about.

http://www.thetempesttimes.com/ted-c...obalist-truth/

I have also read the CFR report where Heidi Cruz contributed literally one paragraph to during the short time she was a term member. It is a very benign report and doesn't say what the conspiracy theorists say it does. As a matter of fact, the ones who incite this kind of paranoia are noted for reading things out of context and taking sentences of it and applying major leaps to make their case. I doubt 99% of them have even read that report that Heidi Cruz made a written contribution on, of which she made a case for private citizens calling the shots along with the free market. I can go on and on about this, but feel free to read the report for yourself. Heidi's contribution can be found on page 33-34 under Additional & Dissenting Views...

http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf


Breakdown of Heidi CFR accusations/distortions with facts that prove where the lies came from.

http://www.educationviews.org/hit-pi...ign-relations/



Current CFR membership list. Ted Cruz isnt listed and never was listed...the Clinton's are ....


http://www.cfr.org/about/membership/....html?letter=C



Anybody who spends more time and effort on the "Ted is a globalist" nonsense than criticizing the Clintons are being disingenuous.

And how about judging a person by his or her actions? As far as undermining American sovereignty, keep in mind that even though Ted Cruz was a domestic policy adviser for George Bush in 2000, later in 2008, he went against the Bush admin (his old boss) when Cruz was a solicitor general for the supreme court. The UN wanted to get involved in a case where some guys from Mexico raped a girl from Texas. Cruz fought against that for our sovereignty for the US to decide the case, since it happened on our soil (Texas) and won 6-3. He went against the Bush admin, because the Bush admin was going to let the UN get involved...

Ted Cruz is a committed constitutionalist. As Texas Solicitor General he authored authored more than 80 U. S. Supreme Court briefs and argued 43 oral arguments. Nine of those were before the U. S. Supreme Court. One of his biggest victories for America came when he was able to win a landmark case called Medellin v. Texas in which he defended U. S. Sovereignty against the UN and the World Court.
Nobody else in the U. S. Senate has this same type of expertise on international law and the U. S. Constitution. He will not be guided nor intimidated by the progressives who have taken over our government, our education system, our business community, and indeed our culture and our Republic.

So it's okay that Trump wants "globalist" CFR president Richard Haas as his first pick for NSA, but it's not okay that Heidi was a term member offering a dissenting view for the free market and the private sector for American sovereignty?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfa6bhRzx8k

"The whole idea that Heidi Cruz is part of some grand conspiracy is patently ridiculous. It’s guilt by association and by innuendo from people who don’t understand the CFR or the report which they so revile and who assume that anyone who may have been in a room with Robert Pastor or William Weld must be some sort of globalist stooge. The reality is that the CFR draws on a diverse pool of experts, most of whom have very little involvement in the organization and that its output, like this paper, tends to be in the form of general suggestions with no force behind them which no one ever really acts on. We certainly aren’t plunging headlong into any kind of regional union on the basis of one paper which no one seems to have read."

Also, there exists thousands upon thousands of people who have jobs as investment managers, whether it be with Goldman Sachs or otherwise...that is tinfoil hat stuff you're getting into now.

http://www.conservativepushcoalition.com/CP/?p=1120

http://blogcritics.org/anatomy-of-a-smear-heidi-cruz/#

http://thecommontruth.net/the-truth/...ring-the-myths

I doubt 99% of the people who do this have even read that report that Heidi Cruz made a written contribution on, of which she made a case for private citizens calling the shots along with the free market. I can go on and on about this, but feel free to read the report for yourself. Heidi's contribution can be found on page 33-34 under Additional & Dissenting Views...

http://www.cfr.org/content/publicati...a_TF_final.pdf

Did Ted Cruz or did he not as Solicitor general to the Supreme Court win cases protecting our nation's sovereignty? (Google Medellin Supreme Court case)

This video is just about 5 minutes, please watch and share.
Trump is for CFR President Richard Haass. Ted Cruz called the CFR organization “a pernicious nest of snakes” that is “working to undermine our sovereignty,”
Donald waited until the 11th debate to finally name who his best pick is for national security advisor.
Again, president of the CFR Richard Haass was who Trump called the best to hire for NSA.
It's up to us to share to the whole nation the truth about Donald Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pENP_J3nMrI

https://www.facebook.com/Cruztovicto...8290946516116/

Trump named Steven Mnuchin, the chairman and CEO of private investment firm Dune Capital Management LP, to lead his fundraising.
Mnuchin, according to his Bloomberg profile, was a partner at Goldman Sachs, where he worked for 17 years. He also worked at Soros Fund Management LLC, founded by liberal mega-donor George Soros.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/05/tr...#ixzz4CEj9DH6p
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But even if we want to ignore this, he cannot win the primaries via delegates. At this point he needs north of 80% of the delegates, and he's not beating Trump in California or any of the north east states. So he's not going to be able to do it that way. His only road to nomination is at a contested convention.
This is irrelevant at this point, but Ted had a pretty solid grassroots groundgame in California, and the Republicans in Cali tend to be more Conservative than the large populist demographic that think they are conservative in the New York state.

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The party establishment will not elect him at a contested convention unless they can buy him, meaning the only way to elect Cruz to the presidency is to turn him into Jeb Bush. Even if he keeps his principles, supporting him now only allows the establishment to steal the nomination from the only candidate they can't control.
I thought you stated that Ted Cruz was already part of the establishment? Why would they have to "buy him" then?

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There is also a problem with his inability to collect voters from any demographic other than the extreme religious right. He will lose to Clinton without exception because of this. His voting base is just too small.
As far as electability is concerned, it never ceases to amaze me when voters on the right agree with elitists of the GOP who listen to left-wing pundits. All it takes to make the unelectable electable is your vote accompanied by a little retail politics. Those of us on the right get what we deserve when we allow the leftists in both parties to pick our candidates. Being informed about the candidates is more crucial than ever."

Read more at http://blackcommunitynews.com/why-te...LJord67Gy4O.99

As far as Ted Cruz being a Christian for Christians only, he is especially a big proponent of the 10th Amendment, which says that whatever issues not found in the Constitution shall be determined locally by the people of each state. Though a self-evident truth that a man and woman are complementary opposites, the structure of same sex marriage doesn’t and cannot supplant this truth. The president has the right to use that pulpit to make a case to the American people what he or she believes is right and why the people should believe the same (Obama does this often), but issues like marriage as a structure, for instance, that are not in the Constitution get regulated to state’s rights.

Authoritarians like Donald Trump often talk about how they are going to use the president’s position and the federal government to solve our problems. Ted Cruz talks about how the Constitution is the guideline for getting the government out of our lives more and therefore letting “we the people” on a more local level figure things out with each other. The premise of this Constitutionalist position is that we know how to solve our own problems and disagreements with each other through local discourse, research, votes, etc, better than any government. Otherwise, the government just plays the role of “king” or dictator and not servant to the people. The only issues that the federal government really should be involved in is national security (military), some regulation of international commerce, and maybe some infrastructure issues….though I would argue that with infrastructure issues, the federal government involvement should be extremely rare and only used in extreme situations of dire-need. I digress again.

A theocracy is believing that the federal government and/or 5-9 unelected judges should be able to impose upon the states and the local people how to think or believe when it comes to moral and social issues. The last thing we want is a federal government and/or 5-9 unelected judges telling the 320 million people what and how we should believe on social moral issues. The Constitution, when followed, protects us from letting that happen, and “we the people” on a local level can decide among each other what we believe and how to function in society with one another. This is real freedom.

If you think it is good thing for the federal government to fine or jail a baker for not wanting to bake a cake for a same sex “ceremony” because they disagree with it, please think about this. What happens if the next president is against same sex “marriage” and then uses the same power of the federal government to fine or jail a baker for baking a cake for a same sex couple? How would you feel about that as a pro-homosexualist liberal?

Too much power in the federal government can swing one way or another depending on who the person is in office. It’s better for ALL people that we have a strict Constitutionalist in office, especially a proponent of the 10th amendment…like Ted Cruz.

With that, I have to say that there has been only 2 REAL tride and true Constitutional Conservative presidents in the last century; Ronald Reagan and Calvin Coolidge. I consider Ted Cruz a hybrid of both of them, which doesn’t come around too often.
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Re: The Nonsense of Donald Trump

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Another problem is the issue of his birth. Hillary has already stated she'd sue to have his citizenship reviewed by the Supreme Court. Anyone think a left leaning court is going to find in his favor? Give him the nomination and the Supreme Court will disqualify him, giving Hillary the win by default.
Are you worried about foreign influence? From Ted Cruz? Really? The guy was raised in Texas with pro-American values since he was 3. His mom and dad had a contract job in Canada for the computer company they worked for. They were software programmers. You can have a beef with Obama, because regardless of where he was born, he was raised a good part of his life in Indonesia and/or in Kenya during the years of his age where he can be intellectually and emotionally influenced. By the way, the birther stuff that was started on Obama was originally from 2 Hillary Clinton advisors Philip J. Berg and Mark Penn.

Ted Cruz living in Canada from 0-3 years old, I doubt he even vaguely remembers it. A whole lot of time and energy is wasted on this on a person like Ted Cruz, who has no questioned proven that he is full of nothing but American Constitutional values, regardless of whether or not we like the his personality overall.

Most people rather talk and debate about the real issues affacting them like taxes, national security, social issues, and they are right to feel that way...

All birthers have a liberal tendency to redefine the Constitution in a way they see fit. Their arguments are based on interpretive jurisprudence. In essence, they're trying to interpret the meaning of an article, clause, or section in the Constitution that is not expressly defined in the Constitution itself. Instead they'll attempt to use external references as you basis of argumentation. Constitutional conservatives like Justice Scalia are, however, literalists. The Constitution is a binding legal document that is not subject to interpretation using external references. The Constitution expressly states that Congress shall make laws regarding citizenship. Congress has passed two or three laws already to which Ted Cruz specifically qualifies as a natural born citizen. Anything other than what is expressly defined in the Constitution is interpretive jurisprudence.

So if a woman is a US citizen, goes to another country to work a job contract for a few years, her child isn't a citizen or is eligible? I got it. Never mind focusing on the cultural, foreign policy and economic issues we face as a nation. Instead, let us pass a law that says no American mother is allowed to get pregnant if there is any chance they have to leave America to do a job for fear that there children wouldn't be "natural born citizens." Yeah, go liberty!

Why court challenges to Ted Cruz’s qualification for President are doomed to fail...

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/01/birth...ship-cant-win/

And fail they have, over and over and over again...

Illinois throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

http://www.redstate.com/diary/ulysse...ard-elections/

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...z-eligible-for

Pennsylvania court throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

http://lawnewz.com/important/judge-s...one-covers-it/

Texas court in Houston throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news...pid=fb-premium

New York state throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/07/politi...rther-lawsuit/

Florida throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/sorr...ls-in-florida/

Utah throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

http://fox13now.com/2016/03/19/judge...-be-president/

New Jersey court throws out Ted Cruz eligibility case...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ome-president/

And the Supreme Court threw it out too...

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politic...zs-citizenship
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