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Old 10-05-2006   #1
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And now for something *completely* different

...Or perhaps not. A Monty Python reference just seemed like a useful "lure" into this thread, frankly. *Maniacal chortles-o'-doom*

Aheh aheh *ahem*

Not really.

A "short" background of this beastly survey below: One of the classes at my college--an Apologetics course of sorts--had this intriguing, adrenaline-infused, steppin'-outside-the-box "exercise" in which the students were sent out with these Worldview Surveys to interrogate--'scuse me--question people about what they believe and why they believe it.

But the experience wasn't really negative like that; it was sweet to discover the varying viewpoints of the Starbucks patrons (the location where I found most of my "subjects" hehe), and people seemed genuinely taken aback--even bamboozled--that they'd be asked such audacious, presumptuous and...just plain odd questions. But they were all opened and amiable and such. None of them tried to smote me...

SO...It would be really, seriously kickin' if you, the Pseudo-Intellectuals ('cause it's "Almost Smart"...You know? Never mind), could share your views/beliefs and such. It would be at least mildly interesting, methinks. Please?

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Without further writing-ness, here is the survey of sorts:

1.) How did human beings originate?

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate?
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?

8.) How did evil come into existence?

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?


13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?


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You don't have to write a novel or anything. And anyway, only quacks 'n' crazies write on and on and never stop, spewing a seemingly perpetual stream of words that have no meaning or purpose to speak of. Blah-dee, blah-dee, blah. Do they ever stop? No! ¡Nunca!

Those long-winded crazies...honestly...

*Crickets chirping*
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Old 10-05-2006   #2
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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?
Through trial and error of mother natures design.

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
To continuously grow, evolve, and learn.

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
they die and their lifes enrgey gets passed along to his or her surroundings.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
Human beings have the gift of problem solving. And the ability to resist instincts.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate? < this one
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
The concept of absolutes such as this considering Evil juxtaposed with Good or Holly.

actually... i dont even belive that. I dont belive in "evil" I belive in humans and their behavior.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
read above statement.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
Through the Mortal fears of Humans and the uncontrolled instict of others, mixed in with the standards of Society.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)? our brians are more advanced and work diffrently than animals.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
From teh passing down of Scial standards of teh previous generation, later modifyed to fit teh indivigual and the time period. Morals are a sense of what feels right for the indivigual.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
I hate absolutes. You could say that teh sun will always rise, and that s an absolute. but in fact there may be a day when it dosnt.
I belive change is the only absolute.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
Really good question! What is real to you may not b real to someone else because ever one precevies things slightly diffrently. To a blind person would the colors exsits? He cant taste feel or smell color let alone hear it... so then are colors real? or simply something our eye sense precives as there? I have lots of thoughts about this one.


13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?

a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists. < maybe this one.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
I decied that i wanted to see things. not simply hear about them.
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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?

We evolved.

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?

Hmm. I wouldn't say 'purpose,' I would just say we're currently ahead in the race, so to speak.

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
Not sure, I haven't died yet.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
opposable thumbs, we store information outside of our brain, we have a conscience [though I'm not entirely convinced some animals don't have consciences...i figure some do, they're just not well-developed.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate?
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
apathy, pedophilia.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
I think the apathy is the beginning ...emotion, I guess, of many crimes that occur. Not to mention it can lead to things like rights being taken away, and ...well, I'll not write a novel about it. And pedophilia speaks for itself.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
Human nature.
9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
our well-developed brains.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
Parents, experiences one has.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
1. We will all die. I don't have a second one.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
Yes and no. What you see is half your perception, half what is there.

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.(this one is closest to my perception of a god.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
my own thoughts, my general distaste with religion.
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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?
We evolved from bacteria :o)

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
As my hero Mr. Vonnegut said, "We are all here to fart around. Don't let anybody tell you any different."

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
We disintegrate back into dust when it comes down to our physical fate. Regarding the soul, well, I'm Catholic, so I believe in heaven and hell.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
Brain structure (connections between neurons)

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Yes, but not knowingly. We have to be selfish in order to survive. We cry and whine and whimper like there is no tomorrow so we can get fed and have our diapers changed, etc. You get the picture.
Innocent? Yes
A blank slate?Yes
Other?
completely helpless

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
murderers and sex offenders. Oh, and George Bush.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
They kill people and violate another person's body forcibly. To Bush, the lives of soldiers and POWs are mere statistics that will get him closer to bringing in his oil money.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
We bred it, of course. We're all really selfish bastards anyway. We may not admit it, but we all know deep down inside we all want to be better than everybody else.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
See #4
10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
We make them, then pass it on to our kids.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
Yes and no.

YES: a) I am Aleli. b) We are all going to die.
NO: a) I am Aleli, but which Aleli am I talking about? Could I be Aleli the daughter? Or Aleli the raging geek? Or perhaps, I am Aleli the AlmostSmarter. a) has many facets.

B) We are all going to die. That is absolute, in the physical sense. But then again, we could also live in someone's memory. Or if we are writers, a book, a poem, or a play. A director, perhaps a movie. You catch my drift.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?

Our thoughts our real, at least to ourselves. Reality is such a metaphysical concept. Isn't reality nothing more than what we perceive and what we make of it? The answer to what reality is, or just about how real it truly is, is not definite; it really depends on the person to whom we are asking the question. One may live in a world of fantasy, through books or just his imagination, and that may seem more real to him than the concrete realm in which we live in. How do we know something's real? We keep our thoughts in our heads and we tell ourselves enough times that it is real, we unknowingly coerce ourselves into believing that it is. To the point, we make our own realities; it doesn't matter if it's real to someone else or not.


13.) If you believe in a God, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the God you believe in.
God is the guy who made the game of life, and we're the players in it, and then He sits back and watches us to see how we play along: He knows if we're dirty scoundrels who waste everything away (and we all know how disappointed He is), or if we're good participants who tread through the game of life honestly (which, I like to think, makes Him proud).

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?

I am a product of a Catholic family, a capitalist society, and a scientific and literary world. I am everybody's bitch.

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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?
We evolved from lesser beings.

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
Not really, we're just kind of here, puttering about our lives, occasionally making great discoveries.

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
Well, after death, if it's not a suspicious one, a person usually gets buried or cremated, depending on their aforestated wishes.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
Creative speech, and opposable thumbs.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Innocent

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
Mosquitoes and bitterly cold winters.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
They don't contribute anything to the world. Particularly Canadian winters.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
Through divergence from the accepted notion of good.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
A really wrinkly brain.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
Cultural views of the accepted norm.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
Death and taxes.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
Everything is a matter of perception.

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
I don't believe in a God, per se, but I do believe there is something greater out there, a One in the Boethian sense, if you will. Basically, I don't know what I believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
Boethius, common sense, others' perspectives, and my own wacky little mind.
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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?
adam and eve [lilith was a freak i never knew about]
2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
god's entertainment [?]
3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
heaven or hell. their body also decays here, but that's different.
4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
we, like the angels, have souls. animals do not.
5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate?
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
porn and stupid people
7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
porn can potentially be adultery, and it is definitely lust.
stupid people, in my experience, are the perfect criminals.
8.) How did evil come into existence?
yes, lucifer.
9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
this confuses me. god is not a what, he's a who.
10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
the bible
11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
no... i dunno
12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
there's god. but i've been able to 'feel' him, almost with my senses. does that make sense?

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
sin
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1.) How did human beings originate?
primordial ooze

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
i dont know about purpose..but humans are amazing

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
his corpse is left as worm food, and the energy he has is recycled

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
we are animals, there are millions of similarities and differences. i like how we have gills in the beginning stages of our lives, and how we all start off as females. why do men have nipples..

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate?
Other?
selfish, no. innocent, yes. good, yes.


6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
torture, and satan, of course.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
through my own personal thought patterns and existence.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
hmm...aggression, competition, deprivation

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
some people don't seem to have that ability..

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
traditions, family, nurturing.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
''Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and Im not sure about the former'' Einstein

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
well, to me..there are real things..things i have experienced since birth i have come to a realization that these are real..but some theories say even those things are real.


13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.
i dont believe in god, but if i did, he'd be a black left handed guitarist.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
i believe in free thinkers. i will never accept others ideas as my own simply because it's what my parent's do or what is accepted. and i just adoreeeeeeeeeee science.
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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?
Nobody knows for sure, and nobody ever will.

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
If there is a meaning of life, there is no way of determing for sure what it is. Personally, I've found a handful of people I like to be around, and I pretty much continue my existance so that I can continue to be around them.

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
Not really sure, and we never will be. I imagine, though, that we just cease to exist after we die and become one with the nothingness.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
As far as we know, humans have a superior intellect than other animals -- but we don't know that for sure. If you ask me, humanity is a lot more destructive than most animals.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate.
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
I don't believe in good and evil.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
N/A.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
N/A.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
Thought.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
Most of the morals/values/ethics/standards of today come from religions like Judeism, Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity (to name a few.)

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
Only that there are no absolutes.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
It depends on how you define "real," but thanks to the electromagnetic spectrum scientists have discovered that which we can see, hear, taste, touch, and/or smell makes up a very small percentage of "reality." I don't believe in reality, since the concept of reality relies on it being true in an absolute and cosmic sense. Everything, even reality, is subjective.

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.
There are as many gods as there are people in the world, and I don't believe in any of them. There could be a god, but we'll never know for sure.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
Your mom.
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Re: And now for something *completely* different

1.) How did human beings originate?
we evolved

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
we won't know until we die

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
our spirit waits for reincarnation and another life

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
we think we're smarter than animals, but i think we're of equal intelligence. i believe, the only difference between us and animals is our appearance and our thoughts about other species

5.) At birth, human beings are…
A Blank Slate

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
i do not believe in good or evil

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
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8.) How did evil come into existence?
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9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
The fact that we have a brain and use it properly

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
From what we are taught by our parents and lessons learned in life

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
i'm not too sure here

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
i don't think so....i mean..there's oxygen.. we can't see it, smell it, hear it, taste it or touch it, well.. we're always touching it, but we wouldn't know any better...

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
Moonlight seranade answer it perfectly:
I don't believe in a God, per se, but I do believe there is something greater out there, a One in the Boethian sense, if you will. Basically, I don't know what I believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
using my mind, reading, and talking about it with close friends who believe in the same thing.
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1.) How did human beings originate?
Evolution

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
Only the purpose that we give to ourselves

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
Well, generally, a doctor will come to say he's dead for sure, then they load him up and take him to the morgue, then after that an embalmer takes out his guts... you get the puicture.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
Humans are superficially different than animals, but under close examination, we're little more than monkeys with thumbs. Thumbs being a metaphor for a few other things.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
fuckin', babies, man. they're just babies.

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
Evil is a totally relative term. Just for the next question two questions, killing children and not refilling the ice cube tray are evil.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
Well, killing children, because children are helpless and more often than not innocent. For the second, going for some iced tea and finding the ice cube tray with one cube in it fuckin sucks.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
"Evil" isn't a thing of itself. Evil acts come into existence when someone is blinded by emotion or otherwise fails to fully understand the ramifications of his actions.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
The frontal lobe, i guess.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
Early human family groups banded together into larger tribes for protection. The above developed to ease living in large groups.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
No. No truth is absolute; but then again, "absolute" is a rather abstract concept itself.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
Feeling. I know it's real cuz i feel it, yo.

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
I don't rule out the possibility of god, nor do I go into specifics about it.
14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
Higher education, too much time on my hands, long discussions with other educated people, lots of reading.
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1.) How did human beings originate?
Human beings were created from simple organisms, such as bacteria. Then evolved into a breathing unit, thus, time on its hindmost developed abitily.

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
Indeed, there was certainly a purpose in which humanity in all was created. I Think of it as consequence, to ridicules of greater anscestors, in which the planet earth is certainly representing hell.

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
I have no fucking IDEA, and anyone who claims that he does, is just a braggart, and a fool arse.lol

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
The thinking ability, simply.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
zero.

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
Rape and murder, actually not evil just wrong. Evil and good were also created by man.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
Upon my thoughts, I certainly know, or at least been taught, murder and rape is in fact wrong. Evil doesnt have to come with fire and horns.

8.) How did evil come into existence?
The alternation of good! Also a kind of fear, which was declared AS EVIL!

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
Our brain certainly, which infact has amazing abilities.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
From people who wanted to control other people! Or at least showing wisdom.

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
Not really.


14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?[/B]
I just realt tried to look for the truth, i just couldnt find anything that would sound right and follow upon. It left me in one place. This place where you actually can run and hide. I dont believe in the all seeing eye. All that matters, live peacefully and free. You really dont have to be in any religion, just believe that you can live normally without these false thoughts implanted to humanity by leaders from beyond. Imagine, create, and love.
I believe in a power, such great force and spactacular abilities. Although we cannot really question that. We really arnt sure If there is a GOD in the first place, then why would I wonder off thinking about it.
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1.) How did human beings originate?
through gods design, with evolutanary designs implied
2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
ta create an end.
3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
i dunno, i'm not dead yet.
4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
oposable thumbs, brain
5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish? mhm
Innocent?mhm
A blank slate? nope
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
satan, lucifer...same thing tho
7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
...
8.) How did evil come into existence?
i wasn't there, can't tell you.
9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
our brain.
10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
they don't. they don't exsist.
11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
yes. its all a lie, and that was a lie.
12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
you believe. and yup

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a, b, c.
14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
my self.
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1.) How did human beings originate?
evolution

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?
Does there have to be a purpose? What's the purpose of mosquitos? To annoy the buhjesus out of humans? who cares?

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?
He's either fixed up with all kinds of goodies and put in a box, cremated, or any other variety of disposal one might think of.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?
The ability to think, reason, blah blah blah. why must we feel the need to distinguish ourselves from animals anyway? it's like comparing dogs and reptiles.

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate?
Other?

Considering we've done nothing except breathe at birth, I'd go with innocent.

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.
murder & rape i suppose

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?
they cause a disservice to fellow human beings

8.) How did evil come into existence?
it's not like it's something that just came into existence. It's all relative and vastly affected by culture and behavioral influences. For example, in much of the world, cannibalism is considered evil, but it's perfectly accepted in some tribal communities, albeit rare.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?
the frontal lobes of the cerebral cortex

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?
cultural influences

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.
ha!

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?
How do we even know what we can see hear taste touch and smell is real?

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.

this question is loaded, so i won't answer it.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understandings/ideas about these things?
Evidence gathered by my sensory organs is interpretted by my brain, and I make an opinion based on that information as well as pertaining past experiences to arrive at an educated guess, so to speak.
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Brilliant.

It's interesting that many of you put Evolution as the origin for human beings, and yet still held to God existing, or a god/force/what have you, if not only a distant one. I've been hearing of that perspective a lot, lately. *Muses*

* * *

Since many of you hold the Evolutionist position, perhaps one of you can explain a question I've been pondering pertaining to the origin of our ability to reason, and our capacity for (relatively) higher thinking.

When did human beings go from monkeys, ape-creatures, whatever to sentient, emotional beings capable of higher thought? How did that transition occur?

And, further, when did we attain the ability to express this advancement through language?

I don't suppose it went something like this:

Maury the Apeman: Ugg, ugg. Me like grapefruits.
Tim, the abruptly advanced Apeman: You know, it really piques me when you use pronouns improperly; it's obtuse! And I detest grapefruits!
Maury the Apeman: (Flatulence)

*Squints / shrugs*
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1.) How did human beings originate? evolution.

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence? Live for Happiness

3.) What happens to a person after he dies? Whatever they thought was going to happen.

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals? we invent stuff and drive cars.

5.) At birth, human beings are… magical
Selfish? - could they be?
Innocent? - brand new.
A blank slate? dee dee dee
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil. - being in someone else's business that doesn't include anything about you, and killing them.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil? i wouldn't kill them much less get invovled in their stupid life. lol

8.) How did evil come into existence? He came, He saw, He conquered.

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)? what, animals don't? Yes they do...-- Human's know better.

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from? Well they know they dont need to kill each other off to live well...

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two. If yo'ure alive you can always say, You don't know, and that's the truth. But until you die...

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real? If you can think it, it's probably real. And just because you can only think it, doesn't mean it's not real, you just need more time and power to concentrate on making it real. Anything is possible.

13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in. ------ Creator of the universe, because absolutely no one knows what really created the universe. As far as God's Will - well you know you DIDN'T have to do that...but you went ahead any way, and a way to accept that is by thinking you did it for some unexplained reason which may or may not be true. God didn't give you the power to win the championship belt or the stupid grammy.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?
Just being smart. Spirituality and an understanding for the simple beautiful things in this world that aren't so materialistic.
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Brilliant.

It's interesting that many of you put Evolution as the origin for human beings, and yet still held to God existing, or a god/force/what have you, if not only a distant one. I've been hearing of that perspective a lot, lately. *Muses*

* * *

Since many of you hold the Evolutionist position, perhaps one of you can explain a question I've been pondering pertaining to the origin of our ability to reason, and our capacity for (relatively) higher thinking.

When did human beings go from monkeys, ape-creatures, whatever to sentient, emotional beings capable of higher thought? How did that transition occur?

And, further, when did we attain the ability to express this advancement through language?

I don't suppose it went something like this:

Maury the Apeman: Ugg, ugg. Me like grapefruits.
Tim, the abruptly advanced Apeman: You know, it really piques me when you use pronouns improperly; it's obtuse! And I detest grapefruits!
Maury the Apeman: (Flatulence)

*Squints / shrugs*
The main thing to keep in mind is that the change was very gradual. Supposedly there were a number of transitionary species between the common ancestor and humans. Humans didn't descend from apes - apes and humans both share a common ancestor.

As for our intellect, many traits considered to be "higher thought" are exhibited by animals to a lesser degree. Some dogs can navigate mazes - they hear their master's voice ahead of them, but can only go left or right, so they use the process of elimination to find they way through. Crows make tools. There are chimpanzees that can speak a few phrases in sign language. A well-trained dolphin, knowing a command to get a ball and another to swim through a hoop, and can understand the difference between "get ball swim through hoop" and "swim through hoop get ball." Intelligent animals (dolphins, orca, primates) will have regional or family-group specific behavioral traits that are taught by the older generation to the younger.

So, while humans are obviously better at these things than any animal, it's just a difference of degrees. Intellect has an obvious evolutionary imperative (look how well we're doing now), but there were many hurdles to overcome. For example, human children are born highly undeveloped compared to other single-birth mammals because our heads are so dang big, so to fit out the birth canal, human children are born completely helpless. As a counterexample, some young deer can walk almost immediately after being born. It may take a human child over a year to be able to walk without assistance.

If you really start comparing, humans and chimpanzees do have a lot in common. We have very similar skeletons and mostly the same organs. Young chimpanzee males even do stupid shit to show off to the females.

As for the exact answer to your question, no one is really certain, since it happened so long ago and the human fossil record is not complete. Here's a plausible evolutionary progression:

1. Family group of ape-like ancestors develop some trick that involves concentration and manual dexterity, like tool-building, that gives them a survival edge.

2. Since the ancestors who are more adept mentally and physically to making tools are more likely to survive, they pass on their genes (and the knowledge of their trick) more than the less capable ape-like ancestors, so they rise to prominence and the ancestors that can't do the trick eventually get supplanted completely

3. Now (a million years down the line) you have a slightly smarter ape with better hands.

This sort of thing happens over and over again. Eventually, we get homo sapiens.
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yes..the confusion comes with the belief that humas evolved directly from apes, really, more of a 'common ancestor'.
intelligence really has to do a lot with *evolved* physical traits. the size of the brain, height, neuroanatomy...
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1.) How did human beings originate?

2.) Is there any reason (purpose) that you can see for human existence?

3.) What happens to a person after he dies?

4.) What features (if any) distinguish humans from animals?

5.) At birth, human beings are…
Selfish?
Innocent?
A blank slate?
Other?

6.) Name two things that you consider to be evil.

7.) How did you decide that the two evils you named are, in fact, evil?

8.) How did evil come into existence?

9.) What gives human beings the ability to “reason” (think logically)?

10.) Where do morals/values/ethics/standards come from?

11.) Is there any truth that is absolute? If yes, give two.

12.) Is there anything that is real besides what we can see, hear, taste, touch, or smell? If there is, how do you know it is real?


13.) If you believe in a god, which view best describes your god?
a) Creator of the universe, but no longer involved in it.
b) Creator of the universe and still active in the affairs of humans.
c) Not the creator, but the essence of all that exists.
d) If none of the above, give a brief description of the god you believe in.

14.) What shaped your beliefs or understand/ideas about these things?


1. We were created. Let's leave it there.

2. We exist to serve each other and above all to serve our creator.

3. They are certainly less lively...I believe in purgatory and judgment.

4. Humans are different from animals in that they have the desire to enjoy a sexual relationship.

5. At birth, all humans are inherantly evil, innocent, and blank all at once. Later life experiences will craft these character traits.

6. Conformity and need for government.

7. Conformity leads to close-mindedness, which leads to ignorance, which leads to violence and mislead hatred. The need for leadership and government leads to humans controlling and manipulating each other, which leads to corruption and greed.

8. To tempt creation.

9. The necessity to overcome our world and its surroundings.

10. The neessity to overcome our worls and its surroundings (again).

11. Yes. No one is perfect. That's one. Everyone is imperfect. That is two.

12. Our conscience is real though it is not concrete. Unless you have never had that voice in your mind assisting you with a moral dilemma, that is.

13. b.

14. Life experiences, reading, thinking, and more life experiences.



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5. At birth, all humans are inherantly evil, innocent, and blank all at once. Later life experiences will craft these character traits.
how can babies be inherently evil, and innocent at the same time?
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because they have teh capacity to become ethir, only later on dose society teach them the diffrence in the two behavors.
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