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Old 02-04-2006   #1
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all the time in the world.

a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...where there are no clocks. I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT CLOCKS.

i was talking to my friend a year ago. i remember. he said something to this extent, "Time is man made. If there was no man, there'd be no time."

i disagree. Given that man called Time, "time", there'd still be time without man.
we can say that animals do not know what time is. plants do not know what time is. but in order for anything to grow, there has to be time.

i used corrosion, rust, as an example. yes, rust occurs when metal and water meet. BUT it is time that causes corrosion.
the way i looked at it, if there was no time, there'd be no rust. ever. rust doesnt just happen over night. it takes time to rust.

i dunno, what do you think? if there's no such thing as time, wouldnt we all just be suspended in space? if there was no time, would anything even move?

eh just something to think about. i like to hurt people's brains.
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Re: all the time in the world.

I guess it really depends on your definition of 'time'.

Personally i agree with you, without humans, time would still exist because the world would continue to depelop, like plants and animals would grow and die.

Although time is anaylised and sorted into hours, minutes and seconds by humans, these are only names for time. Even if humans did not exist, time would continue, as nothing can develop without time.

Anyway i'm just rambling but thats my view on the matter
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Re: all the time in the world.

Plants and animals know time. Time exsists without people, evrything is born with a biological clock that fits into the time frame of life. Flowers when kept in a room with no light will stay closed, but when exposed to sun they open, its a natural cycle created by the sun that begins and ends each day that plants and animals set there clocks by.

time as in human made time is unessisary except for micro managing lives.

unless you count early humans such as some native inhabitants before the colonization of the americas, who worshiped time, and created massive buildings and circular designs that corispond to the pattern of the sun and the moon. crazy people and there time worshiping.
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Re: all the time in the world.

yea, there is definately a such thing as time.

i think the only people who say things like your friend did are stupid people like the ones who say dinosaurs never existed and bush is a great president.

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time (tīm)
n.
    1. A nonspatial continuum in which events occur in apparently irreversible succession from the past through the present to the future.
    2. An interval separating two points on this continuum; a duration: a long time since the last war; passed the time reading.
    3. A number, as of years, days, or minutes, representing such an interval: ran the course in a time just under four minutes.
    4. A similar number representing a specific point on this continuum, reckoned in hours and minutes: checked her watch and recorded the time, 6:17 A.M.
    5. A system by which such intervals are measured or such numbers are reckoned: solar time.
    1. An interval, especially a span of years, marked by similar events, conditions, or phenomena; an era. Often used in the plural: hard times; a time of troubles.
    2. times The present with respect to prevailing conditions and trends: You must change with the times.
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Attempting to understand time has long been a prime occupation for philosophers, scientists and artists. There are widely divergent views about its meaning, hence it is difficult to provide an uncontroversial and clear definition of time. The Oxford English Dictionary defines it as "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future, regarded as a whole". Another standard dictionary definition is "a non-spatial linear continuum wherein events occur in an apparently irreversible order." This article looks at some of the main philosophical and scientific issues relating to time.

The measurement of time has also occupied scientists and technologists, and was a prime motivation in astronomy. Time is also a matter of significant social importance, having economic value ("time is money") as well as personal value due to an awareness of the limited time in each day and in our lives. Units of time have been agreed upon to quantify the duration of events and the intervals between them. Regularly recurring events and objects with apparently periodic motion have long served as standards for units of time - such as the apparent motion of the sun across the sky, the phases of the moon, the swing of a pendulum.



and matt, even if there was nothing, there would still be time. time and numbers are the only things that are infinite.
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Re: all the time in the world.

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Plants and animals know time. Time exsists without people, evrything is born with a biological clock that fits into the time frame of life. Flowers when kept in a room with no light will stay closed, but when exposed to sun they open, its a natural cycle created by the sun that begins and ends each day that plants and animals set there clocks by.
you just contradicted yourself. you said plants and animals know time, then you said that plants respond to light stimuli and that's how they know to open and close.

the latter is true. plants and animals don't know time. they only respond to light. animals know to migrate because the amount of day light increases/decreases, and things like that.

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time as in human made time is unessisary except for micro managing lives.

unless you count early humans such as some native inhabitants before the colonization of the americas, who worshiped time, and created massive buildings and circular designs that corispond to the pattern of the sun and the moon. crazy people and there time worshiping.
time is neccessary for everything and very important. without it we wouldn't know when to plant or harvest crops, when it was time to breed farm animals, etc.
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Re: all the time in the world.

but without time would you move?

could you think?

lol crazy stuff
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Re: all the time in the world.

Time exists. Its the institution of time being measured by units like hours or minutes that is man made. Wtihout that system of measurement, life would surely exist and time would go on, and people would never be late for school or appointments.
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Re: all the time in the world.

My theory for time existing:

If you put a pizza in the oven at a high temperature for a short time, it burns on the outside, yet doesn't cook on the inside. If you put it at a lower temperature for a longer time, it cooks through. Same energy over different periods of time.

It takes time for pizza to cook.

But yeah. The universe has (in theory) been expanding for a long time, and that started a long time before humans existed.

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Re: all the time in the world.

Matt, in answer to your question, as one approaches the speed of light, time, for that one person slows down, until it gradually comes to a halt when you reach the speed of light. One theory for what happens to matter at such a speed is that you appear spread out over the expanse of the universe, but I'm not sure I believe that. If that were the case, then the photon theory of light would be discredited(particles of light). All I know is that you, theoretically would travel back in time if you were to move faster than the speed of light, which makes sense if you think about it. Say you're moving faster than the speed of light, which means you're travelling faster than the light bouncing off of you. If you then turn around and slow down, the light would catch up to you and you'd see your image coming towards you.

In any case, according to relativists(theory of relativity), time is directly related to space and the movement of matter through space. We all know that the Earth is moving around the Sun and that the sun is rocketing through space. Theoretically, if the solar system were to come to a halt, time would pass by much more quickly as our speed moves away from the speed of light, therefore, light could reach us more quickly, causing us to see things sooner than we do. Though I'm not sure that would matter, because if the Earth were to stop, we'd go straight into the Sun, seeing as the only thing keeping us from doing that is the inertia of orbit..

anyway, i think i'm rambling now, so i'll quit while i'm ahead, and hope that made some kind of sense...
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Re: all the time in the world.

hey never said i knew what i was talking about. haha.
bravo to those who understand the concept of time. i dont. and i think i will be okay with my self.
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Re: all the time in the world.

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Theoretically, if the solar system were to come to a halt, time would pass by much more quickly as our speed moves away from the speed of light, therefore, light could reach us more quickly, causing us to see things sooner than we do.
isn't that just perception of time, not actually time?
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Re: all the time in the world.

This is a great thread though I know many are going to be irritated with my idea but I'm going to give it a shot anyway.

It is true that time could go without man-it would still be there-however, time requires existence in itself-there needs to be metal that's rusted-the metal needs the proper chemicals in the air to rust-in essence we need existence otherwise time isn't really "there"-nothing's being recorded unless change and such can be seen-we need to see progression-otherwise we can't call it time-we can call it eternity-seeing as civilization seems to be based on time-i don't believe we live in eternity-eternity exists outside of time-therefore we can exist with God in an unchanging state in perfection-which helps to support the fact that time has a starting period and an ending point which our Lord and Savior has known/knows/and will always know.

I personally believe that this is another debate that can give glory to God and show His existence and power.

Yeah-so go ahead and cuss me out-I'm ready for it.

Nonetheless-interesting thread.
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Re: all the time in the world.

well, if the perception of time is different for every speed, then how do you measure actual time? What is actual time? Perhaps exactly half of the speed of light could be considered the optimal speed for the perception of time? Who knows. There is no such thing as "actual time." it's just one of those inexplanable concepts. We can only describe the effects of time, not the concept itself. In that way it's similar to love.
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Re: all the time in the world.

Wow...now that was deep-my brain hurts now-yeah-i don't know how you measure time-but perhaps there is a human term for it (hours)-but i just don't know

It's a good point...weird
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It's jtust like distance exist8ing wit8hout t8he mile
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Re: all the time in the world.

Or like 'existing' existing without an 8? This thread will never end. Just like time.
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Re: all the time in the world.

do you really think time wont end? If we are conculding tha the concept of time has roots within man, and his shaping of reality to suit his needs, then when man is gone wont time subsequently be gone as well?
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well, if the perception of time is different for every speed, then how do you measure actual time? What is actual time? Perhaps exactly half of the speed of light could be considered the optimal speed for the perception of time? Who knows. There is no such thing as "actual time." it's just one of those inexplanable concepts. We can only describe the effects of time, not the concept itself. In that way it's similar to love.
perception of time = the progression:
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It is true that time could go without man-it would still be there-however, time requires existence in itself-in essence we need existence otherwise time isn't really "there"-nothing's being recorded unless change and such can be seen-we need to see progression-otherwise we can't call it time-
actual time = "we can call it eternity-seeing as civilization seems to be based on time-eternity exists outside of time-" and then he goes on about dieing, God and stuff. which is what he believes.
but not to rule it out, that is a very good point in my eyes.

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when man is gone time will subsequently be gone as well
lets say Earth is gone. There's still outerspace. There's still a universe. or maybe Earth is gone because the universe ended. Then is there time?

we'll never know until we die. and i have the perfect plan.
how fast is light speed?
ima build something to take me that fast. then when i hit light speed, i'll shoot my brains out with my vehicle speeding past light speed. i'll die, i'll get the answer and then i'll come back to life because i've gone back in time!
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and on my way back, il'l stop by your pad and hand you a note. a note that will change your life forever!
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Re: all the time in the world.

matt, the only things that are infinite are numbers and time.

even though you can't see numbers, they go on forever.
even if you can't see time or experience it, it goes on forever.

it just does, because it's time. even if earth wasn't here, SOMETHING would be. and time would be here to measure it.
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Or like 'existing' existing without an 8? This thread will never end. Just like time.
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