Religion

[petohtalrayn]

This is ridiculous. Did you even *read* the post you're complaining about?

Originally Said by me

1. the jewish people are still waiting for their prophet.
2. the christian people believe that prophet was jesus.
3. the muslim people believe that prophet was mohammed, and that while jesus was a prophet, and was cool, he was not the son of god, and he was not as cool as mohammed.

Fist of all, I was clearly implying, in my third statement, that the Christians believed that Jesus was the son of God. I didn't feel it was necessary to make that statement first and then make it again by contrast, so I chose to only exercise the latter statement. Excuse me for avoiding the redundancy you seem to enjoy.

Secondly, it is more than common knowledge that Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God. There are plenty of beliefs that I left out of the three cults so that I could make the comparison easier for this forum's intellectually lax demographic. I was not nailing the three religions "to a t" but merely creating sketches of each, rough and crude sketches, that I could use to make a simple comparison.

What do you want from me, Jenn? Blood? You want me to sit here and elaborate on the differences? Were my examples not good enough for you? Well, then go to the fucking library.

What?

What the fuck do you want from me?

EDIT: HERE!! HERE YOU FUCKING PIRANHAS! MORE INFORMATION ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! Also I've come to the realization that illiteracy is a serious problem in these forums, so I've taken the liberty of searching for text to speech software that will make life easier for all of us. You no read? You click here.

[EmperorChaos]

Originally Said by noisome

EDIT: HERE!! HERE YOU FUCKING PIRANHAS! MORE INFORMATION ABOUT CHRISTIANITY! Also I've come to the realization that illiteracy is a serious problem in these forums, so I've taken the liberty of searching for text to speech software that will make life easier for all of us. You no read? You click here.

Woah there fellla. Didn't Matt have to explain Jesus Christ to you in terms of a philosopher?

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Also, on a more practical note, it's not necessarily that illiteracy is a problem here so much as it is that no one can comprehend what you're trying to say because you come across so condescendingly.

Be a bit more courteous and respectful and perhaps people will actually care to read what you post?

[petohtalrayn]

No, I agree with things that the (mythological?) possibly-fictional Christian "character" Jesus (H.?) Christ has reportedly said. I think what people have done with his "philosophy" is terrible. I would liken him to Charles Manson.

Matt misunderstood something that I said in a previous post and reminded me that Jesus, if presented with a modern Christian, would crucify himself in horror. But I wouldn't consider Jesus to be a great mind or a great philosopher. Being of a fascist monotheistic faith, his "philosophy" was riddled with and blinded by megalomania, ignorance, and intolerance -- largely a close-ended, failed mutation, a broken rung in the evolutionary ladder towards objective perception.

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Also, on another note, stop acting like you understand me, Jason.

[EmperorChaos]

Originally Said by noisome

No, I agree with things that the (mythological?) possibly-fictional Christian "character" Jesus (H.?) Christ has reportedly said. I think what people have done with his "philosophy" is terrible. I would liken him to Charles Manson.

And I think you would be erroneous. Manson manipulated his followers into performing murder. Jesus preached peace.

Matt misunderstood something that I said in a previous post and reminded me that Jesus, if presented with a modern Christian, would crucify himself in horror. But I wouldn't consider Jesus to be a great mind or a great philosopher. Being of a fascist monotheistic faith, his "philosophy" was riddled with and blinded by megalomania, ignorance, and intolerance -- largely a close-ended, failed mutation, a broken rung in the evolutionary ladder towards objective perception.

Thomas Aquinas, William of Ockham, and Immanuel Kant would kick your ass.

Also, on another note, stop acting like you understand me, Jason.

But I do know you. I know you very well. I know you like to tear everything down. You don't like walls.

And that's all fine and all, but it leaves you with nothing.

[petohtalrayn]

It leaves me with reality, or the closest thing to it -- nothing.

Nothing.

The most metal thing ever.

Nothing.

It's what's for fucking breakfast.

[Zanahoria_Picante]

Little Jimmy: (Tries to pour cereal from box; nothing comes out) "Nothing...for breakfast?"
Announcer: "That's right, little Jimmy! Nihilistic Crunch comes with a little nothing in every box!"
Little Jimmy: "Gee wiz, Mister! Won't I be hungry for the rest of the day?"
Announcer: "Well, Jimmy, that's the cost of keepin' it real."
Little Jimmy: (looks downcast)
Announcer: "Nihilistic Crunch: Now utterly devoid of swirls!"

Just kidding. Nihilism has its place, I suppose (perhaps just not at the breakfast table ).

But ANYWAY,

this

Originally Said by noisome

1. the jewish people are still waiting for their prophet.
2. the christian people believe that prophet was jesus.
3. the muslim people believe that prophet was mohammed, and that while jesus was a prophet, and was cool, he was not the son of god, and he was not as cool as mohammed.

is actually a really fine summary of the comparison between those three worldviews. Sums it up well. It's interesting to note that a frequent point of comparison is how each views Jesus Christ.

[petohtalrayn]

Originally Said by zicanta picante or whatever

is actually a really fine summary of the comparison between those three worldviews. Sums it up well. It's interesting to note that a frequent point of comparison is how each views Jesus Christ.

Thanks. I would like to note that the point of comparison is not, however, how each views Jesus Christ, but what stage in the Judeo-Christian mythos each religion is currently in.

[EmperorChaos]

You're going to hell.

[foxyphoenix]

Aren't we all?
I mean, is anyone truly without sin, or repentant enough, to walk through the gates of St. Peter?

If you are, I wouldn't want to spend eternity with you anyways.

Party in Hell!!

(all hypothetical of course--I don't believe in Heaven or Hell... party for worm/bacteria/fungus food!)

[Zanahoria_Picante]

Originally Said by foxyphoenix

I mean, is anyone truly without sin, or repentant enough, to walk through the gates of St. Peter?

No. Exactly. And, methinks, that is the whole point; everyone sins and no one can stop sinning entirely and practically. No one meets God's standards or earns salvation through human effort.

The only person who lived a sin-free life is Jesus Christ, which is why, by faith in Him (believing He is God and that what He did on the cross is true), God makes a person righteous and He saves that person from spiritual death.*

So, while repentance (turning from sin) relates to living the Christian life, it is not a prerequisite for salvation. Faith (alone) in Christ (alone) is the only prerequisite for receiving eternal life.

*Ephesians 2:8: "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is a gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast."

(Stolidly steps off soapbox.)

[foxyphoenix]

Soapboxes are fine, hehe. I've read the Bible, but I've never really had a practitioner explain their interpretations of it.

Me fascina!

[EmperorChaos]

Originally Said by foxyphoenix

Soapboxes are fine, hehe. I've read the Bible, but I've never really had a practitioner explain their interpretations of it.

Me fascina!

Yeah, Zana'll do that to you.

[Funk*Sonic*7]

I didn't read this thread, just the title.

I believe in a higher power, a GOD if you will, for many different spiritual reasons.
Even so, I want to simply say....

FUCK RELIGION!!!

[The-Chadster]

Actualy, iv'e been thinking, and i should have used a different title. But religion is the best thing i could think of. Its more of a spirtuality thing. But i don't know the right word. Its not so much for "Christian" "Muslim" "Jew" etc, but beliefs in different things, different faiths, a higher power, lack of a higher power, how to get to heaven etc.

[EmperorChaos]

The best way to get to Heaven is by dying.

[The-Chadster]

That depends. If you believe that Jesus is the Savior and you must be saved to get to heaven, then you have to be saved to get to heaven. If you die and you are not saved, you go to hell. Simply dying is not truly the way to get to heaven.

[EmperorChaos]

Originally Said by The-Chadster

That depends. If you believe that Jesus is the Savior and you must be saved to get to heaven, then you have to be saved to get to heaven. If you die and you are not saved, you go to hell. Simply dying is not truly the way to get to heaven.

No. That's not true. They changed the rules. Didn't you get the memo? Everyone goes to Heaven now.

Blah... I should just stop paying attention to this thread. Because you religious people are going to be serious about something I'm not serious about. And you'll start quoting your Bibles and what not and that's just not even logical.

[Funk*Sonic*7]

Originally Said by The Mac Guy

I'm a devout Atheist. I went to a Baptist church for about a year at about age 12. The pastor was a good man, but I just came to the conclusion that the whole story was complete bullshit.

Yeah I bet your pastor was a good man to you when you were a 12 year old boy

[wizard924]

KEEP IT CLEAN PEOPLE!!!
Alright, but seriously, why do we need a religion anyway? If you strip down the backstory from ALL relgions (Buddist, Muslim, Christianity, Judaism, ect...) don't they all say the same thing? Live a clean and prosperious life, follow the rules of morality, and lead a fullfilling life. We seriously don't need a church or other institutions to tell us these obvious things. Agnostic to the maximalist and atheism to the minimalist.

[Jugband]

Originally Said by wizard924

KEEP IT CLEAN PEOPLE!!!

No.