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Old 11-17-2008   #121
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Re: Proposition 8

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Because you're such a sweetheart, that's why. Obama wasn't having a casual written argument on the Internet, so it makes sense that he didn't write essays.

Believe it or not, most arguments on this web site follow this very same path, where one dissenter is getting nitpicked to death by whatever the current AS orthodoxy is. Everyone will jump on this one guy, and suddenly his cogent disagreement is turned into 10 simultaneous arguments that are difficult to follow, time consuming to respond to, and typically irrelevant to the original topic.

Anyhow, "essay" doesn't imply five paragraphs with 1" margins. It's a writing style that answers a question or makes a statement, provides supporting arguments, then comes to a conclusion. It can be as short or as long as you like.

Do whatever you want, of course. It may even be that poopy saw all that stuff you posted and thought, "f--- that," and won't reply. You get to feel like a winner. Gets 'em every time.
What I'm saying is that this is incredibly informal: we don't need to stick to essay structures to get our points across. If we were writing standalone threads, then fine: a post is part of a conversation, though, and should respond to previous posts. I think the nitpicking is fine, too: each part of an argument should be a strong support to the final conclusion, and if they are able to be undermined, other persons should point the weaknesses out, either through comments or disagreements.
I don't "feel like a winner" because of some stupid argument on the internet; I posted during a slow time at work basically to pass the time. I genuinely feel that poopy's position on this issue is wrong, so I put a small effort in to try to make him see another side to the issue. It may be that he is either too closed-minded or lazy to either read or respond to my reply, but at least I tried, hey?

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This is a '6 and older" appropriate book.

I think not.
Why not? Fairy tales are full of gore, incest, and rape (the Disney-fied ones slightly less so). I don't think a love between two princes is that damning to a child's psyche.
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I don't think a love between two princes is that damning to a child's psyche.
Thats the problem. You don't think.

And theres a difference between fairy tales and a childrens book. This book just goes to show that the whole No-8 claim that "No children are being introduced to homosexuality in school" is a crock of shit. Some class in san francisco was brought to a gay wedding as a field trip. Propaganda goes both ways.
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Re: Proposition 8

Ya know, I see it as this.

When am I ever gonna have the right to ban someone from a right, if not prop 8? I think it's entirely fair that people say, "Yes on 8." It doesn't mean they hate anyone, it doesn't mean they don't like them, it doesn't mean they have something against it. It's simply that they do not want them doing that...

Just as the state of California bans me from smoking my pot out in public. Someone else banned me my right to smoke pot before I was even born.
So like FoxyPhoenix said, Connecticut is allowing gay marriage. Maybe the gays don't want to leave to Connecticut to get married, to come back to California....Well maybe I don't want to leave to Denver, Colorado to smoke some pot just to come back to California.


You're all gay crying about anyone trying to ban anyone from anything. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT
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ust as the state of California bans me from smoking my pot out in public. Someone else banned me my right to smoke pot before I was even born.
So like FoxyPhoenix said, Connecticut is allowing gay marriage. Maybe the gays don't want to leave to Connecticut to get married, to come back to California....Well maybe I don't want to leave to Denver, Colorado to smoke some pot just to come back to California.


You're all gay crying about anyone trying to ban anyone from anything. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT
Which is why I disagree with that ban as well.. Personally, I consider anything that doesn't cause harm to others worthy of legality. As long as you're the only one being hurt by your own actions, then the government shouldn't be able to tell you what you're doing is wrong and take that right away from you. Otherwise, there's not really much of a logical basis for a removal of one's rights to perform certain actions.

I don't blow cigarette smoke in a two-year-old's face, so I don't see a damn thing wrong with it.. smoking pot doesn't hurt anyone(except potentially the user if done heavily over long periods), so there isn't anything wrong with it.. allowing gays to marry doesn't harm anyone, so why the hell is it now illegal?
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You're all gay crying about anyone trying to ban anyone from anything. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT
As has been stated earlier in a different thread, I'm too tired to read seven pages of crap to argue my point (and inevitably win).

But I'll go off of this and see what I can do.

Technically, according to the constitution - remember that, kids? the thing that runs our country? - no, they don't. They don't have the right to deny something that has become a basic part of life. Comparing the denial of marriage to the denial of pot is ridiculous - pot is banned for everyone in the state of California, whereas heterosexual couples are still allowed to marry.

We've ceased defining people by the fact that they are human and have reduced ourselves to defining people by their sexual preferences. What business is it of yours who I fuck, when I fuck them, and how I fuck them? It shouldn't matter. I want the right to marry who I want, not because I want to shove my sexual preference in the face of the world but because I want to be able to stand at my lover's side when he or she is dying...and without marriage, that means if my partner is a woman, I'm not considered her immediate family...so I wouldn't be allowed in the room as she lies dying. It also means that any family members could dispute my position in her will.

Once upon a time, when marriage was purely a religious institution, the church would have had a right to deny us this. Now, it's become a legal matter, and it's not fair to tell anyone they don't have the right to marry who they want.
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Thats the problem. You don't think.

And theres a difference between fairy tales and a childrens book. This book just goes to show that the whole No-8 claim that "No children are being introduced to homosexuality in school" is a crock of shit. Some class in san francisco was brought to a gay wedding as a field trip. Propaganda goes both ways.
The prince meeting prince fairytale is also somewhat of a reality. There's a lot of history to back that up. There have been rulers whose wives or concubines and the like were purely a necessity and or formality. Even Alexander The Great, a real man's man, was bisexual and was reported to have only been with women as a secondary preference.

Some of y'all have really been missing out on history. Do you think there have not been songs or stories told over the centuries about non-heterosexual activities? Shakespeare recounted stories with non-heterosexuals. Greek mythology is loaded, and it's not all myths and fairytales :.)

That story about a prince meeting a prince just states one reality someone can believe or be entertained by as they choose. But as sovereign individuals, no one has a Constitutional right to keep them from their personal preferences so long as no other person's Constitutional rights are not violated.

It's interesting that anti-Proposition 8 supporters are ignoring commentary about states that made oral sex illegal. That's not a one way deal. It means everyone. Of course it's used with great discretion, but oral sex is illegal in a handful of states nonetheless. When you vote yes against actions like Proposition 8, you are effectively screwing yourself -pun intended - minus fun.

One theory(?) about Christmas is that it is based on pagan holidays during which anyone could have sex with anyone. Hypocrisy and ignorance are one reason I don't do holidays. Hypocrisy and ignorance is what keeps homophobia thriving. I say just let it go. Then we and people in the future all have MORE rights, not less, as our Consititutions intended.
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Technically, according to the constitution - remember that, kids? the thing that runs our country? - no, they don't. They don't have the right to deny something that has become a basic part of life. Comparing the denial of marriage to the denial of pot is ridiculous - pot is banned for everyone in the state of California, whereas heterosexual couples are still allowed to marry.
Technically, the constitution was written by a bunch of men who owned/killed/traded humans.

Technically, it took nearly 200 hundred years for that famous part in the Constitution to take effect. You know the part...The part about "all men are created equal."

Technically, The state of California allows persons to smoke pot medicinally.

So technically, My point of me being banned from smoking bud because I don't need it medicinally versus homosexuals not being allowed to get married because they aren't heterosexual is the same argument and technically, you already know that.
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Being spiteful digs bigger holes and serves no purpose.
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Yeah, and we all know that...
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One theory(?) about Christmas is that it is based on pagan holidays during which anyone could have sex with anyone.
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According to some urban legends, the dates of Christmas and Christ's birth were 'adjusted' on the calendar to be closer to Yule, which is a pagan holiday.

It's Easter you're thinking of, which was also supposedly adjusted to be closer to Beltaine...which is a celebration of fertility, love, and life. Hence, 'sex with anyone'.

Also interesting to note: Bunnies and eggs? Symbols of fertility in old pagan cultures (druids and Picts, as examples). Now you know.
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So technically, My point of me being banned from smoking bud because I don't need it medicinally versus homosexuals not being allowed to get married because they aren't heterosexual is the same argument and technically, you already know that.

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Random correction:
According to some urban legends, the dates of Christmas and Christ's birth were 'adjusted' on the calendar to be closer to Yule, which is a pagan holiday.

It's Easter you're thinking of, which was also supposedly adjusted to be closer to Beltaine...which is a celebration of fertility, love, and life. Hence, 'sex with anyone'.

Also interesting to note: Bunnies and eggs? Symbols of fertility in old pagan cultures (druids and Picts, as examples). Now you know.
http://www.almostsmart.com/forums/sh...328#post323328

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I want the right to marry who I want, not because I want to shove my sexual preference in the face of the world but because I want to be able to stand at my lover's side when he or she is dying...and without marriage, that means if my partner is a woman, I'm not considered her immediate family...so I wouldn't be allowed in the room as she lies dying. It also means that any family members could dispute my position in her will.
Dont let her/him die in a hospitol then?
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lol, she didnt know what she was talking about there Demento. I believe I've set the record straight for all this gay nonsense.
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Gay or Straight you should have the same rights, that's absolutely ridiculous.
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Do you think if there was no Church, No on 8 would have passed?
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I do not think Proposition 8 would have passed without churches, no.
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unless there were no gay people too. then it would've passed.
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Re: Proposition 8

well i was just thinking that most churches dont even allow a baby to baptized if the mother and father weren't married Catholic.

i'd say that this Prop 8 isn't a right being banned, but more or less the Church wants nothing to do with it, as the rest of the straight people could really care less.

know what i mean?
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I am straight and I care about it... so I guess I don't know what you mean.
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