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Re: Truth About Albert Kinsey That Hollywood (Intentionally?) Forgot To Cover

1/10 in just what kinsey stated. there have been several studies showing that the actual reported percentage among typical americans is closer to the one stated in this article from the NORC, if that's where that article came from too.

You have to look at where Kinsey gathered his information.

Also, the percentage might be lower based on tolerance of alternative lifestyles globally, and people's reservations about revealing that information. Some homosexuals marry opposite genders or otherwise hide their orientation, the percentage of people having had any type of same-sex relationship is going to be higher than those identifying themselves as homosexual, etc. If you look at global statistics for anyone living or having had any experience of the GLBT nature, I'm sure the number might be slightly higher.
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Kinsey gathered his information from bias sources. Lets say a study was done to define homsexuality, but 9/10 of the study samples used to do that study were heterosexuals...that would be bias. That's pretty much what Kinsey did, but the opposite.

GLBT community are essentially activists and are one of the most powerful special interest groups in the U.S. Their success in passing special "gay" rights legislation is unprecedented. Their opponents are silenced by cries of "homophobia," and their cause has been taken up as a major plank in the Democratic Party’s platform.
Their political power goes way beyond what would be expected of a minority that makes up about 2 percent of the population.

The 10 percent figure that Kinsey claims is a great example of statistical distortion. This figure comes from an analysis of interviews conducted from 1938 to 1948 under the supervision of Alfred Kinsey where MOST of men and women interviewed claimed to be gay anyway. Furthermore, the Kinsey study did not claim that the 10 percent were exclusively homosexual for life. Some boys and girls experiment with same-sex behavior in adolescence through college years, and most of them only to become completely heterosexual later, which kind of explains why it's hasn't really grown more than around 2% for many years, decades, or maybe even centuries. More current studies estimate that between 1.8 to 3 percent of the male population consider themselves to be homosexual with the rate for females at 1.5 percent. If there was a "gay gene," there would be a lot more than just around 2% coming out as gay or lesbian, social stigma or not.

(Herrel, R. et al (1999) A Co-twin Control Study in Adult Men" Archives of General Psychiatry. 56, 10: 867-874 Edward O. Laumann, John H. Gagnon, Robert T. Michael and Stuart Michaels, The Social Organization of Sexuality: Sexual Practices in the United States Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994. John O. G. Billy, et al., "The Sexual Behavior of Men in the United States," Family Planning Perspectives 25 (March/April 1993): 58. J. Gordon Muir, "Homosexuals and the 10 percent Fallacy," Wall Street Journal (March 31, 1993). Milton Diamond, "Homosexuality and Bisexuality in Different Populations," Archives of Sexual Behavior 22 (1993): 300) See Fast Facts #84-90
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GLBT community are essentially activists and are one of the most powerful special interest groups in the U.S. Their success in passing special "gay" rights legislation is unprecedented. Their opponents are silenced by cries of "homophobia," and their cause has been taken up as a major plank in the Democratic Party’s platform.

What, exactly, is wrong with letting homosexual people get married?
What is so terrible about their activism?
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What, exactly, is wrong with letting homosexual people get married?
What is so terrible about their activism?
Because as a tool for their activism they use the less than a dozen of scientific studies that exist that only suggest that it's innate to get special trreatment over and above the average citizen, over and above the right to marry itself. Again, just a small handful of suggestive studies that have yet to be replicated in comparison to the conclusive studies that have been conducted for decades even up till today that prove that it is in fact a pathology. Some of the studies that disprove genetic dispositon were even conducted by the APA even after the removal of homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) was made. Which by the way was only made after APA leaders and members had endured several years of intense political pressure and disruptive lobbying efforts by militant homosexual activist groups. (Ronald Bayer, "Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis," 1981)

Homosexual activist groups pressured APA committees to remove homosexuality from the APA’s approved list of disorders. In spite of the long documented history showing that therapists have helped homosexual clients reduce and change their homosexual tendencies, professionals who persist in viewing and treating homosexuality as a changeable condition are labeled unenlightened, prejudiced, homophobic, and unethical. There is currently a movement within the APA to normalize pedophilia that appears in some ways to be following the same path to legitimization as homosexuality.

The removal of homosexuality from the DSM 2 (American Psychiatric Association) was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved the out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also of a number of other serious studies by groups of psychologists, psychiatrists, and educators over the past 70 years. It was a disheartening attack upon psychiatric research, and a blow to many identifying gays and lesbians who looked to psychiatry for more help, not less." (Socarides, 1978, pp. 421-422 Sourced in: P. Scott Richards, "The Treatment of Homosexuality: Some Historical, Contemporary, and Personal Perspectives," AMCAP Journal Vol. 19, No. 1, 1993)

Compassion for the GLBT community should not include drastic social and legal measures to accommodate the demands of this small but powerful politically active community, over and above the rights of the average citizen. Bodies of government, courts of law, schools, Hollywood, the media, and other organizations under pressure to accept this agenda will do well to remember that the demands and claims of GLBT activists are self-serving, and result in no societal good.
Again, the GLBT community should be granted equal rights and opportunities, but never over and above what the average person already has or gets. For that reason, they should be allowed to marry. However, there are countless amounts of non-bias and non-religious based social science research and empirical data that clearly demonstrates that the GLBT agenda does not promote the best interests of both families or individuals both emotionally or physically.

For the GLBT community, generally speaking, the term "monogamy" doesn’t necessarily mean sexual exclusivity. The term "open relationship" is far more accepted as an unspoken rule, and has for a great many homosexual men and lesbian women come to have one specific definition: A relationship in which the partners have sex on the outside often, put away their resentment and jealousy, and discuss their outside sex with each other, or share sex partners. In the GLBT lifestyle, fidelity is almost impossible.Since part of their behavior seems to be a need on the part of the active gay or lesbian to absorb masculinity or femininity from his or her sexual partners, there is a compulsion to be constantly on the lookout for new partners.
Consequently the most "successful" gay and lesbian relationships in terms of longevity are those where there is an arrangement between the two to have affairs on the side, while maintaining the semblance of permanence in their living arrangement. (William Aaron, Straight (New York: Bantam Books, 1972), Robert H. Knight in "How Domestic Partnerships and ‘Gay Marriage’ Threaten the Family," Family Research Council, Insight, June 1994, p. 9)(Michelangelo Signorile, Life Outside (New York: HarperCollins, 1997)

A survey of 1,099 lesbians found that more than half reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. This includes verbal, emotional, psychological, and physical abuse. (Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59)

Among lesbians, "rates of verbal, physical, and sexual abuse were all significantly higher in their prior lesbian relationships than in their prior heterosexual relationships: 56.8% had been sexually victimized by a female, 45% had experienced physical aggression, and 64.5% experienced physical/emotional aggression." (A 1991 survey of 350 lesbians, 75% of whom had been in a previous relationship with a man) (Donald G. Dutton "Patriarchy and Wife Assault: The Ecological Fallacy" Violence and Victims. Vol. 9, Number 2. , 1994. Page(s) 167-178.)

Women are four times more likely to be victims of domestic violence in a lesbian household than in a married household. (Claire Renzetti, Violent Betrayal) Married women in traditional families experience the lowest rates of violence compared with women in other types of relationships ("Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2)

44% of the gay men reported having experienced violence in their relationships; 13% reported sexual violence and 83% reported emotional abuse. Levels of abuse ran even higher among lesbians: 55% reported physical violence in their relationships, 14% reported sexual abuse, and 84% reported emotional abuse. (Study of 499 ethnically diverse homosexual, bisexual, and transgendered teenagers and adults) (Susan C. Turrell "A Descriptive Analysis of Same-Sex Relationship Violence for a Diverse Sample" Journal of Family Violence. Vol. 13, Number . , 2000. Page(s) 281-293)

Same sex attraction is a pathology anf has its origins in characteristics and traits that stem from unmet childhood and adolescent needs from family upbringing and/or from the peer environment. Same sex attraction is a developmental disorder (congenital disorder or gender identity disorder) that is linked to sociopathic behaviors, BPD, and even narcissism, and leads to negative behaviors with negative consequences, adversely impacting individuals and society. The choice to act on same-sex attraction or to seek help to overcome these tendencies, can be freely made by the individual. Gay and lesbian behaviors can accurately be described as risky.

Whatever you decide, protect yourself...don't get caught up in the typical sociopathic behavior of the "gay and lesbian relationship." Many gays and lesbians will make the mistake of confusing the peacefulness as well as even their differences that can come with dating someone of the opposite sex as meaning that something is missing or something doesn't feel right or it's a lack of attraction. And at the same time, they will make the mistake of confusing the higher levels of sexual aggressiveness, drama, and conflict that occurs in same sex relationships as meaning that there's a "connection." This is another example of how they think mostly in absolutes, which represents a behavioral mental disorder. Look up sociopath, borderline personality disorder, and narcissism, and then as you really pay attention to the gays and lesbians around you, you will notice that those disorders are very present in their behaviors at a higher level than your average heterosexual male/female relationship or friendship.

Keep your eyes wide open to everything around you, set healthy nonsexual verbal and physical boundaries with people of the same sex, just like you would with members of the opposite sex, so your ability to reason and your emotional, mental, and physical being doesn't become sexualized and therefore blurred and compromised. Because when it does, that within itself is abuse and/or the continuation of the abuse that may have played a part in the cause of same sex attraction to begin with. It can turn out to be a vicious cycle.

The only motive here is that I'm talking about having respect and value for yourself, and expecting it from others too. Not for a person to be controlled and/or to blindly conform without question to the GBLT lifestyle, which is what the GLBT community is all about just as much as the Evangelistic right wing religious community that speak out against them are all about too...both communities are essentially the same animal.

Do what you need to do, it's your life, the choice is ultimately yours. But protect yourself and your emotional well-being...set healthy boundaries....don't use sexual attraction and experimentation to define who you are...you are better than that, and deserve to treat yourself better than that.

GLBT are NOT bad people, they are NOT sinners, they are NOT immoral, and they are NOT going to hell.
But they also are NOT being true to their real selves. It's not about oppression, control, or taken their rights away. And like myself, I'm also discovering that there are many others that aren't given the credit for this either, but it's really just about wanting them to be truly happy. Most of us who speak out against the GLBT lifestyle that aren't part of any religious or political forum, that's all we really want. They may respond to that with, "well, what do you care?" Well we care, simply because we care. We truly care about others and ourselves equally, and not just ourselves. It's as simple as that. I understand and empathize why the thought of someone else or a group of others truly caring about them would seem or feel so alien to the GLBT community, and that's why they project their own fears by reacting so defensively and hypocritically most times.
Because unfortunately for most of their lives, they've experience a level of care and trust that was either not healthy, unbalanced (meaning, inconsistent), and/or not even there at all from the most important and influential people in their lives. And unfortunately somewhere along the way, that/those fundamental issue(s) grabbed a hold of them and took control of their lives and their own true identity.

If you want to be free, get to know your real self. It has no form, no appearance, no behavior, no root, no basis, no abode, but is lively and buoyant. It responds with versatile facility, but it's function can never be located. Therefore, when you look for it, you become further from it. When you seek it, you turn away from it all the more.
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i want to see what site you copied all this from...

firstly i don't think the gay "community" would be so outspoken if the majority didn't shun then, forcing them to unite.

they aren't seeking special rights, only equal ones.

might i also point out hysteria used to be listed in the DSM. Thank god there's a such thing as female sexuality now.

who cares if it's by choice or birth? it's a free country. people hate their spouses on a daily basis.

also, i want the source for the statistics that gays and lesbians have been in violent relationships more than heterosexuals. i'm sure if you look at statistics for heterosexual females, the statistics will be equally as high for the occurrence of at least one experience during the woman's life time of domestic violence or verbal abuse.
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i want to see what site you copied all this from...

firstly i don't think the gay "community" would be so outspoken if the majority didn't shun then, forcing them to unite.

they aren't seeking special rights, only equal ones.

might i also point out hysteria used to be listed in the DSM. Thank god there's a such thing as female sexuality now.

who cares if it's by choice or birth? it's a free country. people hate their spouses on a daily basis.

also, i want the source for the statistics that gays and lesbians have been in violent relationships more than heterosexuals. i'm sure if you look at statistics for heterosexual females, the statistics will be equally as high for the occurrence of at least one experience during the woman's life time of domestic violence or verbal abuse.
Not all of it's copy and pasted, but if I make statements I try to back them up as much as possible with rational informed non bias sources. Do I have to bold them for you? The sources are right there, right after each of those statements. Right in front of your eyes. They're in parenthesis. I realize all this may turn your whole world upside down Jasmine...I do empathize with that, but I'm entitled to my views.
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I still can't understand how you think they're not being "true to their real selves". As if you know their true selves better than they do!
You can quote all the statistics you want, but I see the same love in my friends' homosexual relationships as I see in the heterosexual ones.

I also see NO evidence of homosexuals campaigning for "special" rights, simply equal ones.

As far as comparing LGBTs to Evangelicals:
1. I have NEVER had an LGBT try to recruit me, but I have had Evangelicals do so quite frequently for years.
2. LGBT rights have NO effect on my life: let them get married, let them adopt children, hold jobs without fear of prejudice, etc. Not one of those infringes on my rights. Evangelical legislation (including anti-abortion, anti-birth control, teaching Intelligent Design as science, etc) DOES infringe on my rights and would have a huge impact on my life.

As far as homosexuals using sex to "define who they are":
I have never heard a gay person introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm John Doe. I'm homosexual."
I've heard "Hi, I'm Ian. I am a politics major." or "Hi, I'm Bonnie, I'm studying economics." or "I'm Nathan, and I love Star Trek."
It's not the definition of them, but it is certainly part of them, just as heterosexuality is part of you or me.



So, again: even if the studies are wrong, what's wrong with letting them get married? What is wrong with homosexual activism?
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I still can't understand how you think they're not being "true to their real selves". As if you know their true selves better than they do!
You can quote all the statistics you want, but I see the same love in my friends' homosexual relationships as I see in the heterosexual ones.

I also see NO evidence of homosexuals campaigning for "special" rights, simply equal ones.

As far as comparing LGBTs to Evangelicals:
1. I have NEVER had an LGBT try to recruit me, but I have had Evangelicals do so quite frequently for years.
2. LGBT rights have NO effect on my life: let them get married, let them adopt children, hold jobs without fear of prejudice, etc. Not one of those infringes on my rights. Evangelical legislation (including anti-abortion, anti-birth control, teaching Intelligent Design as science, etc) DOES infringe on my rights and would have a huge impact on my life.

As far as homosexuals using sex to "define who they are":
I have never heard a gay person introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm John Doe. I'm homosexual."
I've heard "Hi, I'm Ian. I am a politics major." or "Hi, I'm Bonnie, I'm studying economics." or "I'm Nathan, and I love Star Trek."
It's not the definition of them, but it is certainly part of them, just as heterosexuality is part of you or me.



So, again: even if the studies are wrong, what's wrong with letting them get married? What is wrong with homosexual activism?
They consider themselves minorties similar to actual minorities like African American. So based on that, you don't think they're looking for special treatments. Marriage is not special treatment, but you really think that it's going to stop with basic rights such as marriage? Seriously, do you? Homosexuality and lesbianism is an attraction. It cannot be compared to somebody who is left-handed, as well as cannot be compared to race or ethnicity. Comparing themselves to true racial minorities, people who are discriminated for the color of their skin, which is something they are truly born with, is absurd, and they should take offense to that. Homosexuality and lesbianism is not a genetically encoded condition, like height or skin color. Even if it was, attraction results in a behavior, behaviors that we can choose to act on or to not act on. A black person can't chose the color of his/her skin that they are born with. Plain in simple.

Side note: I know a girl since she was 15 dated girls only. She always identified as a lesbian and claimed to only be attracted to girls that whole time. Now she's in her 30s, and just started dating and talking to a guy, and it's been going really well. Well ever since she started seeing him you have no idea how many of her lesbian friends who have been her friend for many years just stopped talking to me or stop calling her as soon as they found out. This is common behavior in the GLBT community. Very hypocritical, don't you think? So hows that for being treated differently or being discriminated against?
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Not all of it's copy and pasted, but if I make statements I try to back them up as much as possible with rational informed non bias sources. Do I have to bold them for you? The sources are right there, right after each of those statements. Right in front of your eyes. They're in parenthesis. I realize all this may turn your whole world upside down Jasmine...I do empathize with that, but I'm entitled to my views.
i'd like to read the entire articles, not just pieces you copied. so i'd like the web address.
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They consider themselves minorties similar to actual minorities like African American. So based on that, you don't think they're looking for special treatments. Marriage is not special treatment, but you really think that it's going to stop with basic rights such as marriage? Seriously, do you?


Um... yes. What do you think they're going to do? Make homosexuality mandatory?

Also, based on numbers that you provided (I believe 2%), they are inherently a minority of the population.

They compare themselves to other groups of people that were denied rights--women and African Americans--because they are being denied the right to a safe and secure workplace, marriage, and adoption.

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I know a boy who dated girls until he came to college because he was expected to do so. After coming out, his parents stopped paying for college and no one in his family completely cut off contact. How's that for the unconditional love you like to assert to heterosexuals?

I don't think it's hypocritical at all that those people stopped talking to her; if a shared common experience was the basis of the friendship, then not being part of that experience would be grounds for no longer being friends. I no longer competitively speed skate, and I didn't maintain friendships that were based on speed skating.
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They consider themselves minorties similar to actual minorities like African American. So based on that, you don't think they're looking for special treatments. Marriage is not special treatment, but you really think that it's going to stop with basic rights such as marriage? Seriously, do you? Homosexuality and lesbianism is an attraction. It cannot be compared to somebody who is left-handed, as well as cannot be compared to race or ethnicity. Comparing themselves to true racial minorities, people who are discriminated for the color of their skin, which is something they are truly born with, is absurd, and they should take offense to that. Homosexuality and lesbianism is not a genetically encoded condition, like height or skin color. Even if it was, attraction results in a behavior, behaviors that we can choose to act on or to not act on. A black person can't chose the color of his/her skin that they are born with. Plain in simple.

Side note: I know a girl since she was 15 dated girls only. She always identified as a lesbian and claimed to only be attracted to girls that whole time. Now she's in her 30s, and just started dating and talking to a guy, and it's been going really well. Well ever since she started seeing him you have no idea how many of her lesbian friends who have been her friend for many years just stopped talking to me or stop calling her as soon as they found out. This is common behavior in the GLBT community. Very hypocritical, don't you think? So hows that for being treated differently or being discriminated against?
they want to be defined as a minority group, because as a minority group you can lobby for equal rights. as "just a bunch of gays" you can't really get much accomplished.
religious minorities are still considered "minorities" even though that's a choice too.
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Main article: Same-sex marriage
Various types of same-sex marriages have existed,[41] ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.[42]
While it is a relatively new practice that same-sex couples are being granted the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly used by mixed-sex couples, recent publicity and debate over the past decade gives an impression that civil marriage for lesbian and gay couples is novel and untested. There is a long history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[43] It is believed that same-sex unions were celebrated in Ancient Greece and Rome,[43] some regions of China, such as Fujian, and at certain times in ancient European history.[44] A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) issued in 342 CE prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome, but the exact intent of the law and its relation to social practice is unclear, as only a few examples of same-sex marriage in that culture exist.

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Many controversies have arisen over the centuries in relation to marriage - including issues relating to the suitability of partners of different denominations, faiths, tribes or races, the acceptable number and minimum age of wives, the rights of partners, especially wives, and wider family obligations. For example, a contemporary controversy of particular significance in the USA concerns the exclusion of homosexual relationships from legal and social recognition and the rights and obligations it provides. Social conservatives opposed to same-sex marriage in some countries claim that any attempt to define marriage to include anything other than the union of one man and one woman would "deprive the term of its fundamental and defining meaning."[108] In other countries, polygamy is a "socially conservative" practice.[citation needed] Advocates of same-faith marriage and same-race marriage may criticize the legalization of interfaith marriage[109] and interracial marriage,[110] respectively.
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I also see NO evidence of homosexuals campaigning for "special" rights, simply equal ones.

So, again: even if the studies are wrong, what's wrong with letting them get married? What is wrong with homosexual activism?
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The Matthew Shepard Act, officially the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, is an Act of Congress, passed on October 22, 2009,[1] and was signed into law by President Barack Obama on October 28, 2009,[2] as a rider to the National Defense Authorization Act for 2010 (H.R. 2647). This measure expands the 1969 United States federal hate-crime lawto include crimes motivated by a victim's actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.[3]
The bill also:
  • removes the prerequisite that the victim be engaging in a federally-protected activity, like voting or going to school;
  • gives federal authorities greater ability to engage in hate crimes investigations that local authorities choose not to pursue;
  • provides $5 million per year in funding for fiscal years 2010 through 2012 to help state and local agencies pay for investigating and prosecuting hate crimes;
  • requires the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to track statistics on hate crimes against transgender people (statistics for the other groups are already tracked).[4]
The Act is the first federal law to extend legal protections to transgender persons.

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Me stating or believing that the GBLT is seeking special right over and above the average citizen, I hope you realize doesn't mean that I'm condoning or encouraging hate crimes of any kind to any group of people.

If you honestly think that GLBT activist will stop lobbying for more special rights over and above the rights of the average citizen after they are granted all those rights, I don't know what to tell you, because I think they do and I think they would.
2% of the population is a minorty by numbers, which doesn't mean inherently.
They don't consider themselves a minority just for that reason. They use their same sex attraction to define themselves as a minority just like they use that to define eavery other aspect of their being.
Should we give motorcycle affliations special rights, because they like to ride motorcycles?
A small percentage of people cut their own hair, should we give them special rights too?
We're talking about using a behavior to define "minority" versus the color of a person's skin.
And that same old tired used up argument that most of them always use, "why would anybody choose a life of oppression" is just that...a very old and tired argument. And even if oppression did occur at such high levels as much as they think they do, that still doesn't/wouldn't disprove that it's choice. It's one thing to gay bash or hurt a person or fire a person based on the fact that they have same sex attraction, that is wrong.
But by them shouting "homophobia" or "oppression" whenever somebody has an alternate view or opinion with only the intention to help somebody or to give somebody another possibility to think about or take under consideration as to why they may have same sex attraction is wrong too, and it only proves that they are only projecting their own fears of society by doing so.
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they want to be defined as a minority group, because as a minority group you can lobby for equal rights. as "just a bunch of gays" you can't really get much accomplished.
religious minorities are still considered "minorities" even though that's a choice too.
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Main article: Same-sex marriage
Various types of same-sex marriages have existed,[41] ranging from informal, unsanctioned relationships to highly ritualized unions.[42]
While it is a relatively new practice that same-sex couples are being granted the same form of legal marital recognition as commonly used by mixed-sex couples, recent publicity and debate over the past decade gives an impression that civil marriage for lesbian and gay couples is novel and untested. There is a long history of recorded same-sex unions around the world.[43] It is believed that same-sex unions were celebrated in Ancient Greece and Rome,[43] some regions of China, such as Fujian, and at certain times in ancient European history.[44] A law in the Theodosian Code (C. Th. 9.7.3) issued in 342 CE prohibited same-sex marriage in ancient Rome, but the exact intent of the law and its relation to social practice is unclear, as only a few examples of same-sex marriage in that culture exist.

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Many controversies have arisen over the centuries in relation to marriage - including issues relating to the suitability of partners of different denominations, faiths, tribes or races, the acceptable number and minimum age of wives, the rights of partners, especially wives, and wider family obligations. For example, a contemporary controversy of particular significance in the USA concerns the exclusion of homosexual relationships from legal and social recognition and the rights and obligations it provides. Social conservatives opposed to same-sex marriage in some countries claim that any attempt to define marriage to include anything other than the union of one man and one woman would "deprive the term of its fundamental and defining meaning."[108] In other countries, polygamy is a "socially conservative" practice.[citation needed] Advocates of same-faith marriage and same-race marriage may criticize the legalization of interfaith marriage[109] and interracial marriage,[110] respectively.
Again, it's a faulty comparison....
A woman is born a female, that is not a behavior or an attraction
A black person is born black, that is also not a behavior or an attraction.
Even if a gay or lesbian was "born that way" (which they are not), there would have to be some type of enviromental influence to trigger the same sex attraction, and that attraction can be chosen to either be acted upon or not.

What a person does (behavior) should NEVER be equated with what or who a person is.
I mean talk about selling oneself short, not to mention pretty superficial. No human being can or should be reduced to identification based on sexual or even emotional attraction. If people "are" their actions, then what does that say about a thief, an anorexic, a prostitute, or a marathon runner? Roughly 98% of the population does not define their very being and purpose in life by their sexual behaviors, what or who they are attracted to, or who or what they have sex with. That doesn't make us who we are inside, and the fact that that is what gays and lesbians use to define or determine "who they are" exposes the lie beneath there whole lifestyle.
A lie that many straight people now blindly accept as truth without questioning based on the fear that they will lose their livelihood if they're not "politically correct." And also a lie that the GLBT community accepts through their own denial, because they get so caught up in their in attraction defining their lifestyle and "what they are" similar to like an addict does with theirs.
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As far as homosexuals using sex to "define who they are":I have never heard a gay person introduce themselves as "Hi, I'm John Doe. I'm homosexual."
I've heard "Hi, I'm Ian. I am a politics major." or "Hi, I'm Bonnie, I'm studying economics." or "I'm Nathan, and I love Star Trek."
It's not the definition of them, but it is certainly part of them, just as heterosexuality is part of you or me.
So why all the parades, why the rainbow symbolism and flags, so why are their gay dating sites and social networking sites that advertise as GLBT site? Why are there clubs that have gay or lesbian night? Like clubs that have lesbian night where a guy can't get in unless he's escorted by a lesbian, or a gay night where a girl can't get in unless she's escorted by a gay guy...what's up with that? What do they use objectifying labels on eahc other all the time to describe how masculine or feminine they look or act? What do you think would happen if somebody started a dating site and called it, "DatingforStraightPeople.com" or "HeterosexualMatchmkers.com?"

Whether they verbally introduce themselves as being gay or not, the fact is they define the majority if not all of their being based on the fact that they have same sex attraction.

And not just parents but even professionals and educators are brainwashed to encourage youth or at the very least think that to "experiment" is to figure out "who they are." What kind of world do we live in now that we use sexual activity of any sort to figure out who we are? Who we are has absolutely NOTHING to do with sexual activity and attraction. Even who we are emotionally attracted to has nothing to do with who we are.

How many straight people do we know use the fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex and have sex with the opposite sex as such a determining and defining factor of who they are as a person? The answer is 0.

A person's character or who that person is, has mainly and most importantly everything to do with how well he/she conducts and interacts with other people, and with everything that life brings upon them.
It's how we treat and take care of ourselves and others. It's how we deal with our problems and our successes. It's how we help others. It's how we make a positive impact and difference on each other.
It's how we see ourselves as in the light of the cup half full vs the cup half empty.
Our attitudes (positive or negative) dictates that path we take ourselves on in this life.
It's how well and deeply we can make emotional and trusting connections with each other.
It's about our sincerity and how genuine our personalities are with one another.
It's about our ability to know what true love is really about.

Those are the kinds of things that provides us with the character that make us who we are as a person.
Not what or who we are attracted to, and not who or what we have sex with.
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i'd like to point out that there are BDSM communities, swinger communities, and pro ana/bulimia communities. all of these things are also choices.

gays aren't the only ones with their own "communities".

Also, if we didn't shun their way of living, I doubt they'd have any reason to create their own "culture".

also not all gays go marching in parades, wear rainbows, go to gay clubs, etc.
gay pride wouldn't exist if people didn't make them ashamed.

religion is also a choice, but people are protected according to that, special priviledges are provided according to that, etc.

I don't like how you post this or that about gays without acknowledging the other groups it applies to.
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i'd like to point out that there are BDSM communities, swinger communities, and pro ana/bulimia communities. all of these things are also choices.

gays aren't the only ones with their own "communities".

Also, if we didn't shun their way of living, I doubt they'd have any reason to create their own "culture".

also not all gays go marching in parades, wear rainbows, go to gay clubs, etc.
gay pride wouldn't exist if people didn't make them ashamed.

religion is also a choice, but people are protected according to that, special priviledges are provided according to that, etc.

I don't like how you post this or that about gays without acknowledging the other groups it applies to.
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god there were like three in there. BDSM, anorexias, religious people, don't deserve special protection either, but that has nothing to do with the topic. carry on.
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god there were like three in there. BDSM, anorexias, religious people, don't deserve special protection either, but that has nothing to do with the topic
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Not what or who we are attracted to, and not who or what we have sex with.
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Whether they verbally introduce themselves as being gay or not, the fact is they define the majority if not all of their being based on the fact that they have same sex attraction.
I was referring to the fact that gays aren't the only ones who define themsleves based on choices, but other groups who do receive special protection.

because i've already said funk will make a statement about one group without acknowledging it also applies to others.

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