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Old 09-17-2009   #1
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Snake with vestigial foot found in China

Of course, it was promptly killed. Sigh.
Snake with foot found in China

A snake with a single clawed foot has been discovered in China, according to reports.




Snake that grew a foot out of its body Photo: CEN/Europics

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Dean Qiongxiu, 66, said she discovered the reptile clinging to the wall of her bedroom with its talons in the middle of the night.
"I woke up and heard a strange scratching sound. I turned on the light and saw this monster working its way along the wall using his claw," said Mrs Duan of Suining, southwest China.
Mrs Duan said she was so scared she grabbed a shoe and beat the snake to death before preserving its body in a bottle of alcohol.
The snake – 16 inches long and the thickness of a little finger – is now being studied at the Life Sciences Department at China's West Normal University in Nanchang.
Snake expert Long Shuai said: "It is truly shocking but we won't know the cause until we've conducted an autopsy."
A more common mutation among snakes is the growth of a second head, which occurs in a similar way to the formation of Siamese twins in humans.
Such animals are often caught and preserved as lucky tokens but have very little chance of surviving in the wild anyway, especially as the heads have a tendency to attack each other.
Snakes are squamates ("lizards") that secondarily lost their limbs and eyelids as a result of fossorial lifestyles (burrowing). This find would suggest that the genes for limbs and limb growth are retained but "turned off". A closer look into the genome would be necessary to confirm.
Pretty cool evolutionary trick. =)
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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

That's awesome.

And it makes me wonder if it might have anything to do with the Chinese vision of a dragon. You know, the long serpentine body with legs? Just perhaps it is more likely for snakes to grow the vestigial foot in Asia than anywhere else.
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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

^ Likely not.

There are lizards with greatly reduced limbs that are more like what "dragons" look like, but whenever I see a drawing of them my mind jumps to the gills of Proteidae and the limb reduction of the Bolitoglossa.


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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

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I don't think If the Asian people saw a snake and a limb and moving deficiencies they would create the image of a powerful flying reptile
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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

That is amazing. I love genetics. One or two codons get all fucked up and pop, the long-inactive codons for leg creation and placement get turned back on.

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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

That's so awesome. I love reading about stuff like this. I wonder how functional the foot was. Too bad she killed it. =/
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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

So why was it killed?
I would say live and let live.
If the leg/foot gets in the way of it's survival, well then let nature run it's course.
Who are we to decide?
It's not like it was in any pain or harming anybody, right?
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Re: Snake with vestigial foot found in China

It was killed because it scared the lady in whose home it was crawling in the night.
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So why was it killed?
I would say live and let live.
If the leg/foot gets in the way of it's survival, well then let nature run it's course.
Who are we to decide?
It's not like it was in any pain or harming anybody, right?
It wasn't killed for science, if that's what you thought. It would have been much more valuable for information if alive.

The lady was terrified of a wriggling snake and only after she had beaten it to death did she realize that it had an extra foot.
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funk why didn't you just read the article instead of trying to be a bleeding heart?
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So far as I can recall, the genes for every single characteristic is retained but turned off. Humans have the deep genetic potential capability to grow gills, scales, claws, fur, fangs, stingers, venom, heat sensing pits and any other characteristic we see in every other creature on earth. All those genes are in our genome, just de-activated. A person who had every gene turned on would be a terrifying but very malformed beast which probably wouldn't live very long.
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So far as I can recall, the genes for every single characteristic is retained but turned off. Humans have the deep genetic potential capability to grow gills, scales, claws, fur, fangs, stingers, venom, heat sensing pits and any other characteristic we see in every other creature on earth. All those genes are in our genome, just de-activated. A person who had every gene turned on would be a terrifying but very malformed beast which probably wouldn't live very long.
I wouldn't go much farther then saying we possess the genes that our ancestors had and that's it. Scales, venom, gills are unlikely, unless our ancestors had them.

When an egg and sperm of any animal combines, the DNA has to be of a combination that will survive. Any other mutation or combination that cannot survive is called 'embryonic lethal'. That's why we don't see more freakishly changed people then we do. They just dont survive past conception or some point in the pregnancy. Well, dwarves are kinda freaky.
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For some genes, but not all. You can "devolve" to a certain extent (and by "you" I mean mostly chickens in laboratory environments), but not to entirely ancestral forms.

The thing is, codons aren't added for each new trait. Adaptation usually involves a deletion (a nucleotide or series of nucleotides is/are missed in replication: GCATAG becomes GATAG), replacement (GCATAG becomes GGATAG), switching (GCATAG becomes GATACG), etc.
Recreating these mutations but backwards is almost impossible as there are hundreds upon hundreds of choices for "devolution".

Scientists can only realistically manipulate those sequences that are inhibited by other sequences, not those that have been directly altered or replaced.
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It wasn't killed for science, if that's what you thought. It would have been much more valuable for information if alive.

The lady was terrified of a wriggling snake and only after she had beaten it to death did she realize that it had an extra foot.
The valuable information of the animal is in its genes not in his ways of living that is old biology. The priority are genes at least for valuable information that in this case is what created that snake.
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The valuable information of the animal is in its genes not in his ways of living that is old biology. The priority are genes at least for valuable information that in this case is what created that snake.
You can get genes from a living animal via a blood draw.
Seeing if the leg had movement or conscious/instinctual/reactionary control of the leg, or how the body systems worked around the vestigial bits would have been fantastic.

"Old Biology" techniques are only contemporarily ignored in animals that have already been studied extensively using those techniques. For newly-discovered endangered species, the most valuable information is not the genes, but the behavior and ecology.

Don't discredit the macro for the micro, my dear. It would all be meaningless without the organism itself.
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You can get genes from a living animal via a blood draw.
Seeing if the leg had movement or conscious/instinctual/reactionary control of the leg, or how the body systems worked around the vestigial bits would have been fantastic.

"Old Biology" techniques are only contemporarily ignored in animals that have already been studied extensively using those techniques. For newly-discovered endangered species, the most valuable information is not the genes, but the behavior and ecology.

Don't discredit the macro for the micro, my dear. It would all be meaningless without the organism itself.

The hope for endangered species is new biology that eliminates the limitation of male -female procreation. We have the capability to create dozens of pandas for example... what? bamboo forests are coming to an end clone them too and don't forget to make them more resistant against high temperatures.
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The hope for endangered species is new biology that eliminates the limitation of male -female procreation. We have the capability to create dozens of pandas for example... what? bamboo forests are coming to an end clone them too and don't forget to make them more resistant against high temperatures.
... which will probably cause a cascade of other effects in the ecosystem that you didn't think of yet.

If you don't understand the interactions of the ecosystem, cloning more pandas or more bamboo is not going to help in the long run.


EDIT - Looking at the photo again, that leg is NOWHERE NEAR where the pectoral or pelvic girdles would be; it's unlikely that it developed an all new girdle...
Where is the leg anchored? Where do the muscles go, into the ribs? What gives it structure??

ARGH I want at this specimen.
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... which will probably cause a cascade of other effects in the ecosystem that you didn't think of yet.

If you don't understand the interactions of the ecosystem, cloning more pandas or more bamboo is not going to help in the long run.


EDIT - Looking at the photo again, that leg is NOWHERE NEAR where the pectoral or pelvic girdles would be; it's unlikely that it developed an all new girdle...
Where is the leg anchored? Where do the muscles go, into the ribs? What gives it structure??

ARGH I want at this specimen.


I know that every action will have an effect but, just because it will give an effect it doesn't mean it is not a good idea.
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I know that every action will have an effect but, just because it will give an effect it doesn't mean it is not a good idea.
So if altering the genome of the bamboo would cause a collapse of the ecosystem thus fucking the panda AND all other populations in the ecosystem... is it still a good idea?
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