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The Manufactured Epidemic

Most of us know that violence towards anyone is unacceptable, and should be punishable by the law. However, according to the fbi.gov website http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/crimestats , and even the self-proclaimed anti-right wing pro-homosexual organization Political Research Associate's website http://www.publiceye.org/hate/Statistics.html , not only is there NO epidemic of "hate" crimes against homosexuals, as homosexual activists and apologists have led the public to believe, but it is almost statistically irrelevant.

The FBI gathers their statistics from 11,691 law enforcement agencies encompassing a total of 237 million Americans-or 84.2% of the entire population.

Between 1995 and 2010, the FBI reported an average of a little over 1.4 million violent crimes each year in the U.S. Of those violent crimes, the FBI reported that anti-homosexual "hate" crimes were an average of 1,241 per year. That's far less than 1% of total violent crimes. It's .00085586 to be exact.

In 2009, for example, out of that .00085586 of total yearly violent crimes, 57% of those "hate" crimes on homosexuals are Simple Assault and Intimidation charges. (Simple Assault is limited to the use of physical force and results in little to no injury. Intimidation is the use of profanity, slurs, and verbal abuse- which is essentially just name calling). 21% of "hate" crimes against homosexuals is Destruction of Property. 15% is Aggravated Assault. 1% is labeled "Other." And far less than 1% (.003) were Murder, Non-negligent Manslaughter, and Forcible Rape.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/data/table_04.html

According to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Fact reports http://www.uncfsp.org/projects/userf...Fact_Sheet.pdf , "lesbian" couples have the highest rates of domestic violence, and homosexual male couples have the 2nd highest rates of any other type of couple. The NCADV reports also describes that of the nature of their domestic violence and disputes are the same types of discriminatory verbal and physical assaults that homosexuals typically blame on heterosexual society as being the main culprits. So how do we know that most of the anti-homosexual "hate" crime charges as reported by the FBI aren't also crimes committed by homosexuals on one another??? The following should shed a light of truth on that question...

Homosexual Domestic Violence Far More Likely Than "Hate Crimes:"

With regards to the idea that “hate crime” status for homosexuals will reduce crime against homosexuals, it is ironic that homosexual activists are so concerned with their safety and well-being. They evidently fail to realize that the lifestyle they so proudly lead results in the very bodily harm and early mortality that they supposedly fear. The difference is that it is self-inflicted.

In fact, the danger posed to homosexuals by other homosexuals is far greater than the danger posed by anyone else.

This reality is evidenced in statistics gathered from liberal pro-homosexual advocacy groups like the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP) http://www.avp.org/ncavp.htm .

The NCAVP is a self-described pro-homosexual organization that gathers statistics on same-sex domestic abuse and “hate crimes” against homosexuals.

According to data compiled from the NCAVP, during the 1999-2003 period homosexuals were 244% more likely to be the perpetrators of violence against other homosexuals than were heterosexuals.

Same-Sex Domestic Violence vs. “Hate Crimes” Against Homosexuals

1999-2003*

Each year during the 5-year period between 1999 and 2003, the number of same-sex domestic violence crimes was estimated by the NCAVP:


YEAR INCIDENTS
1999 3,120
2000 4,048
2001 5,046
2002 5,718
2003 6,523


According to the NCAVP, there were a total of 24,455 homosexual-on-homosexual domestic violence incidents during the 1999-2003 period.


Each year during the 5-year period between 1999 and 2003, the number of “hate crimes” motivated by a ‘bias’ against “sexual orientation” was also estimated by the NCAVP:

YEAR INCIDENTS
1999 1,965
2000 2,151
2001 1,887
2002 1,968
2003 2,051

An average of 2,004 per year, which is a little higher than what the FBI reports due to the fact that the NCAVP also counts as a "hate crime" someone being arrested by police for having sex in a public restroom, for example. So a large percentage of such "violence" contains no violence at all ("intimidation"), and some other percentage is law enforcement action by police.


According to the NCAVP, there were a total of 10,022 “hate crimes” committed against homosexuals during the 1999-2003 period.

Comparing the ..
For the year 2003 alone, homosexuals were 318% more likely to be victims of violence initiated by other homosexuals.

The difference in the number of crimes against homosexuals (hetero-initiated vs. homo-initiated) for the 1999-2003 period is 14,433 more homosexual-on-homosexual incidents.

Over the 1999-2003 period, homosexuals were 244% more likely to be a victim of another homosexual than a heterosexual. These statistics are significant, because they reveal that homosexual activists are more concerned about vilifying Biblical teachings and the existence of therapy than they are about protecting people from acts of violence. In their efforts to silence opposition to their much riskier lifestyle, they ignore the true threat to a homosexual’s safety: other homosexuals.

To be consistent in their demands for harsher sentencing of those who commit crimes against homosexuals, homosexual activists need to understand that the proposed “hate crimes” legislation should result in the prosecutions of more homosexuals than heterosexuals.
Again, violence against anybody is unacceptable.

* 2008 is the most recent year for which same-sex domestic violence data was compiled/published from NCAVP.

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Are People with Same Sex Attraction (Homosexuals) Oppressed?...

While champions of "gay rights" claim it is, the findings of a demographic study in the Journal of Economic Perspectives suggest that men and women who engage in same-sex intimacy—and particularly those who live together as pairs—appear to be doing fairly well and often better than Americans who do not.

Parsing data from the Public Use Micro Sample of 2000 U.S. Census, the study found not only that same-sex couples are better granted more educational opportunities than their opposite-sex counterparts, but also enjoy higher household incomes. Whereas 43 percent of partners of same-sex coupled households have earned a college degree, only 28 percent of married men and 26 percent of married women reported the same. Also in the micro sample (where same-sex households represented 10 percent of their opposite-sex counterparts), the mean household income of "gay male partners" was $91,676; "lesbian partners," $73,760; and male-female couples, $73,235. Even the mean investment income of each type of same-sex household was higher than traditional households.

Furthermore, the study found that same-sex couples, rather than being relegated to the other side of the tracks, are more likely to live in affluent, fashionable, and upscale places like San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and Austin, Texas. Whereas 90 percent of "gay male partners" and 85 percent of "lesbian partners" were living in major metropolitan centers, only 75 percent of married couples did so.

The only variable in which same-sex couples do not compare favorably is household size. As might be expected, same-sex couples are raising dramatically fewer children relative to their opposite-sex counterparts. While 62 percent of opposite-sex couples have children in the home, less than 10 percent of "gay male partners" and 22 percent of "lesbian partners" do so, often the result of marriages that have failed. The researchers lament that "costs of children are higher" for such couples, including what they call "discriminatory obstacles," they face in adoption. Unfortunately, they fail to acknowledge the natural advantage opposite-sex couples enjoy when it comes to bearing and raising children; in most cases a married man and woman can (and do) have children naturally without depending upon others to procreate for them, or the state to arrange adoptions for them.

If these findings do not paint a picture of an oppressed minority, then the anxiety that homosexuals often experience may be due less to any animus they claim is directed at them and more to what they impose upon themselves by discriminating against natural ways of living that would give them something far more important than a nice paycheck and a fancy neighborhood.

(Source: Dan A. Black, Seth G. Saunders, and Lowell J. Taylor, "The Economics of Lesbian and Gay Families," Journal of Economic Perspectives 21 [Spring 2007]: 53-70.)

Here's more info... http://www.lc.org/radiotv/nlj/nlj1002.htm
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Between 1995 and 2010, the FBI reported an average of a little over 1.4 million violent crimes each year in the U.S. Of those violent crimes, the FBI reported that anti-homosexual "hate" crimes were an average of 1,241 per year. That's far less than 1% of total violent crimes. It's .00085586 of 1% to be exact.
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May want to fix this stuff, too.

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According to the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Fact reports http://www.uncfsp.org/projects/userf...Fact_Sheet.pdf ,

Cut this---"lesbian" couples have the highest rates of domestic violence, and homosexual male couples have the 2nd highest rates of any other type of couple.-- because the report never states that.

But it does say: Experts believe that domestic violence occurs in the lesbian gay bisexual and transgender community with the same amount of frequency and severity as in the homosexual community.

The NCADV reports also describes that of the nature of their domestic violence and disputes are the same types of discriminatory verbal and physical assaults that homosexuals typically blame on heterosexual society as being the main culprtis.

That should be "culprits."

So how do we know that most of the anti-homosexual "hate" crime charges as reported by the FBI aren't also crimes committed by homosexuals on one another???

The NCAVP also reports on anti-homosexual violence.
Data from 2008: for the relationship of offender to victim, the biggest segment (48%) was stranger.
The next was landlord/neighbor at 10%
Partner/lover accounted for 1%
Data here:
http://www.ncavp.org/common/document...ler%20file.pdf

Homosexual Domestic Violence Far More Likely Than "Hate Crimes:"

With regards to the idea that “hate crime” status for homosexuals will reduce crime against homosexuals, it is ironic that homosexual activists are so concerned with their safety and well-being. They evidently fail to realize that the lifestyle they so proudly lead results in the very bodily harm and early mortality that they supposedly fear. The difference is that it is self-inflicted.

Interesting related note from the NCAVP report you cited:
Domestic Violence against homosexuals includes bodily violence, but also verbal abuse (name-calling, as you put it) and emotional abuse as well as financial abuse. Violence does not necessarily mean "bodily harm" and "early mortality." Abusing a partner's pet can get counted as domestic violence by the NCAVP.


In fact, the danger posed to homosexuals by other homosexuals is far greater than the danger posed by anyone else.

This reality is evidenced in statistics gathered from liberal pro-homosexual advocacy groups like the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP) http://www.avp.org/ncavp.htm .

The NCAVP is a self-described pro-homosexual organization that gathers statistics on same-sex domestic abuse and “hate crimes” against homosexuals.

According to data compiled from the NCAVP, during the 1999-2003 period homosexuals were 244% more likely to be the perpetrators of domestic violence against other homosexuals than were heterosexuals.

Interesting and related note here from the NCAVP report:
There are many who misuse and disproportionately
exaggerate information about the existence of LGBT DV to
further their own causes of blocking and curtailing the rights of LGBT
people to equal protection under the law and within society.

Same-Sex Domestic Violence vs. “Hate Crimes” Against Homosexuals

1999-2003*

Each year during the 5-year period between 1999 and 2003, the number of same-sex domestic violence crimes was estimated by the NCAVP:


YEAR INCIDENTS
1999 3,120
2000 4,048
2001 5,046
2002 5,718
2003 6,523


According to the NCAVP, there were a total of 24,455 homosexual-on-homosexual domestic violence incidents during the 1999-2003 period.


Each year during the 5-year period between 1999 and 2003, the number of “hate crimes” motivated by a ‘bias’ against “sexual orientation” was also estimated by the NCAVP:

YEAR INCIDENTS
1999 1,965
2000 2,151
2001 1,887
2002 1,968
2003 2,051

An average of 2,004 per year, which is a little higher than what the FBI reports due to the fact that the NCAVP also counts as a "hate crime" someone being arrested by police for having sex in a public restroom, for example. So a large percentage of such "violence" contains no violence at all ("intimidation"), and some other percentage is law enforcement action by police.

Quick correction, using NCAVP that you cite:
48% is from strangers.
9% is from police.


According to the NCAVP, there were a total of 10,022 “hate crimes” committed against homosexuals during the 1999-2003 period.

Comparing the ..
For the year 2003 alone, homosexuals were 318% more likely to be victims of domestic violence initiated by other homosexuals.

The difference in the number of crimes against homosexuals (hetero-initiated vs. homo-initiated) for the 1999-2003 period is 14,433 more homosexual-on-homosexual incidents.

Over the 1999-2003 period, homosexuals were 244% more likely to be a victim of another, homosexual than a heterosexual. These statistics are significant, because they reveal that homosexual activists are more concerned about vilifying Biblical teachings and the existence of therapy against sexual immorality than they are about protecting people from acts of violence. In their efforts to silence opposition to their much riskier lifestyle, they ignore the true threat to a homosexual’s safety: other homosexuals.

To be consistent in their demands for harsher sentencing of those who commit crimes against homosexuals, homosexual activists need to understand that the proposed “hate crimes” legislation should result in the prosecutions of more homosexuals than heterosexuals.

* 2003 is the most recent year for which same-sex domestic violence data was compiled/published from NCAVP.

Correction: They have published reports in 2007 and 2008.
Just helping out, providing corrections from the reports and organizations in your post. (Also, I don't think the NCAVP actually counts "hate crimes," but "anti-gay violence incidents.")

And just a thought: Wouldn't any domestic violence be far more likely than most other types of crime? Isn't any heterosexual woman more likely to be murdered or beaten or abused by a heterosexual boyfriend/husband/ex than a stranger?

Related to that: domestic violence compared to anti-gay violence may be "apples" and "oranges." That is, "domestic violence," defined by the NCAVP is probably broader than "anti-gay violence." In the same way that heterosexual women are more likely to be abused--emotionally, physically, financially--by a male boyfriend/husband than by anti-woman violence.

I bet if we ran the numbers on that we would see an epidemic of husbands beating and killing wives and we could dismiss the smaller percentage of anti-woman violence that exists.
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"because the report never states that."

The report clearly shows and states, "Approximately 50% of the lesbian population has experienced or will experience domestic violence in their lifetimes." In comparison to the 1/4 women who report from their male partner http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticV...(National).pdf, and 1/6 of men who report from the female partner. Yes lesbian partners are the highest, and male homosexual couples are the 2nd highest.

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But it does say: Experts believe that domestic violence occurs in the lesbian gay bisexual and transgender community with the same amount of frequency and severity as in the homosexual community.
The CDC, for example, after reporting the the straight upward trend of homosexuals contract HIV, will also follow up with such statements.
It's called being political correct, which seems to be the climate these days when you have orgs like the SPLC setting up strawman critieria to label orgs hate groups, and orgs like the ACLU going sue crazy on everybody for every little thing.


The following report you cited http://www.ncavp.org/common/document...ler%20file.pdf on page 10 clearly shows that the majority of anti-homosexual hate crimes involves simple assault and intimidation.

Violence does not necessarily mean "bodily harm" and "early mortality, but if one is truly concerned about "bodily harm" and "early mortality" they would acknowledge the higher rates of violence associated with the homosexual lifestyle. Abusing a partner's pet can get counted as domestic violence by the NCAVP. Yes, it could, but abusing ones pet is not nearly as commonly reported. Plus, a person who abuses one's pet would be more apt or prone to abuse another person...that is common sense.


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"Interesting and related note here from the NCAVP report:
There are many who misuse and disproportionately
exaggerate information about the existence of LGBT DV to
further their own causes of blocking and curtailing the rights of LGBT
people to equal protection under the law and within society."

A 100% of 10,000 = 10,000. 200% of 10,000 = 20,000. 244% of 10,000 = 24,000.
Basic math = the simplification of the facts.

And of course a pro-homosexual org is going to say that. Most Americans are tolerant and compassionate individuals who do not wish anyone to be harmed. Unfortunately, it's the homosexual activists and apologists that have exploited this compassion in the promotion of the idea of "hate crime" legislation. Facts are irritating things that often get in the way of the homosexual agenda. The FBI's recent statistics showing how few hate crimes were committed against homosexuals are irritations that will undoubtedly be ignored by activists. The truth has undercut their claims of an epidemic of hate crimes against homosexuals, but that won't stop them from attempting to gain special rights under federal law for their preferred sexual behavior.


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"Quick correction, using NCAVP that you cite:
48% is from strangers.
9% is from police."
Which would explain why pro-homosexual NCAVP's numbers are a little higher than the FBI "hate" crimes report.
And strangers where most of the charges are simple assault and intimidation.


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"Correction: They have published reports in 2007 and 2008."
The top 2 pdfs for 2007 and 2008 came up with an "error/not available message" when I clicked on them. I did find one for 2006 though.
Regardless, all of them still show a much higher likeliness of homosexual-on-homosexual crimes than heterosexual on homosexual crimes



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"(Also, I don't think the NCAVP actually counts "hate crimes," but "anti-gay violence incidents.")"
To the homosexual activists and apologist there is no difference. A "hate crime" law typically includes enhanced penalties against an individual for his negative thoughts when he committed a crime against a person who is part of a protected class. So by that legal definition "anti-gay" would be considered a "hate" crime.

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"Wouldn't any domestic violence be far more likely than most other types of crime?"
The most common of violent crimes are predominately domestic violence. But again, lesbian partners have the highest rates followed by homosexual males with the 2nd highest incidents. Considering they only account for 3-4% of the entire population as well, doesn't help their case for the nature and negative outcomes/consequences as a result of the homosexual condition.

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"Isn't any heterosexual woman more likely to be murdered or beaten or abused by a heterosexual boyfriend/husband/ex than a stranger? Domestic violence compared to anti-gay violence may be "apples" and "oranges." That is, "domestic violence," defined by the NCAVP is probably broader than "anti-gay violence."
In the same way that heterosexual women are more likely to be abused--emotionally, physically, financially--by a male boyfriend/husband than by anti-woman violence."
However, it just so happens that same-sex couples who claims in theory that, due to partnering with the same gender, issues of power sharing and control are less likely, are false. We continue to see that contrarily they have the highest rates of domestic disputes and violence in comparison to any other couple. Something you claim that the NCADV report doesn't provide, when it clealry does. And as admitted by Susan Holt, program coordinator for domestic violence services at the L.A. Gay and Lesbian Center, said, "The fact is, gay men and lesbians are more likely to be injured by an intimate partner than a stranger," Holt said.
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Let's just start with this first one because it takes a while.

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The report clearly shows and states, "Approximately 50% of the lesbian population has experienced or will experience domestic violence in their lifetimes." In comparison to the 1/4 women who report from their male partner http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf, and 1/6 of men who report from the female partner, yes lesbian partners are the highest, and male homosexual couples are the 2nd highest.
Funk, you misread that. I clicked the link. And I read it.

It states: "One in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime."

That's all it says. Nothing about hetero men doing violence to hetero women. For more information, you have to then go to the study that statistic came from (which you can get to from the source you posted above).

It's from a Department of Justice study. The 1/4 women statistic seems to be "ALL WOMEN." I don't see any clarification. In fact, here's a quote:

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Nearly 25 percent of surveyed women and 7.5 percent of surveyed men said they were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime"
Now, pay attention to how this study is defining violence: rape, physical assault.

Compare that to how the NCAVP defines violence, which includes emotional abuse, financial abuse, intimidation, etc.

A broader definition means that there will be more incidents.

NCAVP is where the "50% of lesbians experience domestic violence" statistic comes from.

Do you see how the definitions of "violence" are different? Do you see how the comparison is not valid?

Also, from that same Department of Justice study:

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Women living with female intimate partners experience less intimate partner violence than women living with male intimate partners.

The definition used in that section is "physical assault, rape, and being stalked." Definitions matter.

You can't just grab statistics from different studies and compare them as simple facts. Definitions affect how the statistics get created.

In other words, the same evidence you presented might as well have been this:

"1/4 women will experience a physical assault or rape from an intimate partner."

"1/2 lesbians will experience some form of domestic violence, which can include emotional abuse, physical violence, verbal abuse, financial abuse, threats of being outed, and many other forms..."

If you don't see the difference (and the problem with your comparison), then there's really no point in continuing.
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"Funk, you misread that. I clicked the link. And I read it.

It states: "One in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime."

That's all it says. Nothing about hetero men doing violence to hetero women. For more information, you have to then go to the study that statistic came from (which you can get to from the source you posted above).

It's from a Department of Justice study. The 1/4 women statistic seems to be "ALL WOMEN." I don't see any clarification. In fact, here's a quote:"
Nearly 25 percent of surveyed women and 7.5 percent of surveyed men said they were raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime"

The NCADV draws the distinction by having 2 distinctive fact sheets; one for homosexuals (LGBT), and another for women.
Both fact sheets are included in my previous posts.


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Now, pay attention to how this study is defining violence: rape, physical assault.

Compare that to how the NCAVP defines violence, which includes emotional abuse, financial abuse, intimidation, etc.

A broader definition means that there will be more incidents.

NCAVP is where the "50% of lesbians experience domestic violence" statistic comes from.

Do you see how the definitions of "violence" are different? Do you see how the comparison is not valid?

Also, from that same Department of Justice study: "Women living with female intimate partners experience less intimate partner violence than women living with male intimate partners."

If a pro-homosexual like NCAVP has a broader definition of what constitutes a dometic violence charge than the NCADV, then that means the 50%figure that the NCADV may be an underestimated figure...it may be even higher than that. Also, you citing quotes from a survey of telephone interviews by the DOJ is a faulty comparison to actual crimes reported.

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"The definition used in that section is "physical assault, rape, and being stalked." Definitions matter.

You can't just grab statistics from different studies and compare them as simple facts. Definitions affect how the statistics get created.

In other words, the same evidence you presented might as well have been this:

"1/4 women will experience a physical assault or rape from an intimate partner."

"1/2 lesbians will experience some form of domestic violence, which can include emotional abuse, physical violence, verbal abuse, financial abuse, threats of being outed, and many other forms..."
The facts of both studies of "hate" crimes (anti-homosexual crimes) are mostly simple assault and intimidation. The comparison of numbers of crimes committed on homosexuals by homosexuals in comparison of heterosexual on homosexual crimes is what is the distinction here.

Your points are predicted on the false belief that homosexuality is an innate unchangeable identity:
http://barbwire.com/2015/02/16/chang...sts-dont-tell/
http://pfox-exgays.blogspot.com/2011...y-stories.html , and not a behavior, which is an easy way to ignore all the higher negative pathologies associated with it...http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02 , or you can simply ignore that link as well by making the assumption that frc is a biased conservative org, while further ignoring the 50+ secular scientific and sociological studies they cite.


Feelings and behaviors, whether good or bad, are ALWAYS susceptible to fluidity and change...people often experience changes in their feelings and behaviors throughout each day and throughout their lives. Passing laws based on the whims of men and women will only cause more problems, as well as a more totalitarian society where all dissenting views are silenced, but theirs.
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The NCADV draws the distinction by having 2 distinctive fact streets; one for homosexuals (LGBT), and another for women.
Both fact sheets are included in my previous posts.
Lesbians are women, too. The "women" sheet doesn't say heterosexual women. The "women" sheet got info from a National Institute of Justice study (which I kept calling Dept of Justice--sorry), which did not seem to separate hetero women from lesbians in the "1/4 women" statistic.

In other words, the one for "women" doesn't simply mean heterosexual women.

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If a pro-homosexual like NCAVP has a broader definintion of what constitutes a dometic violence charge than the NCADV, then that means the 50% figure that the NCADV may be an underestimated figure...it may be even higher than that. Also, you citing quotes from a survey of telephone interviews by the DOJ is a faulty comparison to actual crimes reported..
This doesn't make sense. I don't think you understand how the sources work.

The NCADV got the "50% of lesbians" stat from the NCAVP.

The NCADV got the "1/4 women" stat from the National Institute of Justice (which I said was DOJ).

The "1/4 women" and the "50% of lesbians" stats that YOU were comparing had different definitions of violence. You were making a faulty comparison.

(I think you're wanting to treat the NCADV sheets as equal things, not realizing that they're just reporting data from other studies that have different definitions of violence and different ways of collecting data).

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that means the 50% figure that the NCADV may be an underestimated figure
The "50%" stat isn't an underestimation between the NCADV and NCAVP. Listen closely: the NCADV got the statistic from the NCAVP.

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NCAVP has a broader definition of what constitutes a domestic violence charge
Why did you say "domestic violence charge"? The NCAVP domestic violence reports aren't counting crimes. If you look at the report, you'll see that the data is self-reported by people coming into community centers that report the data to the NCAVP.

It's becoming really clear that you're quoting statistics that you don't completely understand.

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The facts of both studies of "hate" crimes (anti-homosexual crimes) are mostly simple assault and intimidation. The comparison of numbers of crimes committed on homosexuals by homosexuals in comparison of heterosexual on homosexual crimes is what is the distinction here.
I don't get this. Is this your way of saying that you don't care if you were wrong about the comparison?
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"Lesbians are women, too. The "women" sheet doesn't say heterosexual women. The "women" sheet got info from a National Institute of Justice study (which I kept calling Dept of Justice--sorry), which did not seem to separate hetero women from lesbians in the "1/4 women" statistic.

In other words, the one for "women" doesn't simply mean heterosexual women."
They are women with a sexualized disruption having to do with gender. The difference between heterosexual women and "lesbian" women when dealing with domestic violence has to do with behavior associated with that disruption in gender. Homosexual activists used bullying and coercion tactics to take over the American Psychiatric Association (APA) in 1973. They started getting access by infiltrating conventions and ended by getting psychiatrist's licenses pulled for offering reparative therapy. They bullied the APA into removing homosexuality from the DSMs list of disorders in 1973. Most mainstream scientific and medical orgs (like the American Association of Pediatrics, as just one example) when asked about issues dealing with homosexuality, simply models their policies, statements, and decisions from what the APA puts forth. How could the APA be a credible org or source at all on this issue when they let homosexual activists decide the issue for them by means of threats, bullying, and coercion, and completely devoid of anything scientifically objective? (Rhetorical). What is unmistakable: every time a scientific or medical group repeats a pro‐homosexual talking point, you may, with justifiable skepticism, suspect that these groups are acting out of intimidation and/or political correctness.


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"This doesn't make sense. I don't think you understand how the sources work.

The NCADV got the "50% of lesbians" stat from the NCAVP.

The NCADV got the "1/4 women" stat from the National Institute of Justice (which I said was DOJ).

The "1/4 women" and the "50% of lesbians" stats that YOU were comparing had different definitions of violence."
The NCADV didn't just get their stats from the NIoJ...it's much more comprehensive than that:

1Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. National Institute of Justice and the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, “Extent, Nature and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey,” (2000).
2 Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.
3 Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003.
4 U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Criminal Victimization, 2005,” September 2006.
5 U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Intimate Partner Violence in the United States,” December 2006.
6 Frieze, I.H., Browne, A. (1989) Violence in Marriage. In L.E. Ohlin & M. H. Tonry (eds.) Family Violence. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press.
7 Break the Cycle. (2006). Startling Statistics. http://www.breakthecycle.org/html%20...tartstatis.htm.
8 Strauss, Gelles, and Smith, “Physical Violence in American Families: Risk Factors and Adaptations to Violence” in 8,145 Families. Transaction Publishers (1990).
9 Edelson, J.L. (1999). “The Overlap Between Child Maltreatment and Woman Battering.” Violence Against Women. 5:134-154.
10 U.S. Department of Justice, “Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women,” November 1998.
11 Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.
12 Campbell, et al. (2003). “Assessing Risk Factors for Intimate Partner Homicide.” Intimate Partner Homicide, NIJ Journal, 250, 14-19. Washington, D.C.: National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.
13 Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. (1998). “Stalking in America.” National Institute for Justice.
14 Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Reports “Crime in the United States, 2000,” (2001).
15 U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Intimate Partner Violence in the United States,” December 2006.
16 Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.
Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy.
17 Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.
18 The Cost of Violence in the United States. 2007. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.
19 U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Family Violence Statistics,” June 2005.
20 U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Criminal Victimization,” 2003.

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If the pro-homosexual NCAVP has a different definition (a broader one) than what the NCADV shows, has little relevancy to the comparison between domestic violence between homosexuals and "hate" crimes against homosexual by heteros. The numbers clearly show that huge difference between both.
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"The "50%" stat isn't an underestimation between the NCADV and NCAVP. Listen closely: the NCADV got the statistic from the NCAVP."
I copied and pasted the sources where the NCADV gets it's stats from, so again, NO they didn't.

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"Why did you say "domestic violence charge"? The NCAVP domestic violence reports aren't counting crimes.
If you look at the report, you'll see that the data is self-reported by people coming into community centers that report the data to the NCAVP.

It's becoming really clear that you're quoting statistics that you don't completely understand."
I only used the word "charge" when defining what simple assaults and intimidation charges were.

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"I don't get this. Is this your way of saying that you don't care if you were wrong about the comparison?"
No what I'm saying is the not only is the "hate" crimes "epidemic" by homosexual activists manufactured and grossly over-exaggerated, but the violent nature of them are also falsely perceived to be a lot worse than they are (i.e. reporting on a homosexual complaining that a police office had him/her arrested when caught having sex in a public restroom as a hate crime), and that the comparison that is important is the statistical numbers between the "hate" crimes reports and the domestic violence reports
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The NCADV got the "50% of lesbians" stat from the NCAVP.

The NCADV got the "1/4 women" stat from the National Institute of Justice

The "1/4 women" and the "50% of lesbians" stats that YOU were comparing had different definitions of "violence."
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The NCADV didn't just get their stats from the NIoJ...it's much more comprehensive than that:
I didn't say that. I said that they got the 1/4 women stat from the NIJ. They got the "50% of lesbians experience domestic violence" stat from the NCAVP.
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I copied and pasted the sources where the NCADV gets it's stats from, so again, NO they didn't.
Nope. You don't get it.

One NCADV sheet gets one statistic from the NCAVP. (the 50% lesbian stat)

Another NCADV sheet gets another statistic from the NIJ. (the 1/4 women stat)

Yes, they use many sources. But for the TWO STATISTICS THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, there are only TWO SOURCES. When there's a tiny number next to a sentence, that's a citation pointing to a specific source. This shouldn't be that hard to grasp.

And for those two sources, they used different definitions of violence, making your comparison invalid.

There's really no point because you don't seem to understand your own evidence.

This has been a ridiculous experience. I tried my best to be civil, and now I have to stop.
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Your often semantical arguments including one of "broader therefore different definition" of domestic violence are irrelevant when comparing the amounts (the numbers) of "hate" crimes reported to the number of homosexual-on-homosexual domestic violence, the latter undeniably being significantly greater.

Here are the sources for the LGBT NCADV, where one of their sources is the NCAVP

1 National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs. (2006) “Anti-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Violence in 2006.” www.ncavp.org
2 National Gay and Lesbian Task Force. (2005) “Domestic Violence Laws in the U.S.” www.thetaskforce.org
3 Greenwood, Gregory, et. al. (2002) “Battering and Victimization Among a Probability-Based Sample of Men Who Have Sex With Men.”
American Journal of Public Health. 92 (12).
4 Renzetti,C.M. (1992). “Violent betrayal: Partner abuse in lesbian relationships.” Violence Against Women. Sage Publications.
5 Gay Men’s Domestic Violence Project. “Types of Abuse.” www.gmdvp.org

So the addition of 4 other sources that are not the NCAVP are also cited. 5 sources; 2 dealing with both homosexual male and females, 2 dealing with homosexual men, and 1 dealing with lesbians. The sources used are themselves dispraportionate toward homosexual male partners, yet the results reported clearly shows lesbian at 50%, and homosexual male partners at 40%. The NCADV for hetero women fact sheet cites 20 sources (15 more than the LGBT one), and still the LGBT fact sheet reports higher rates of domestic violence. And there are even more studies that were conducted that back this up; among lesbians, a 1985 study by Gwat-Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier reported that slightly more than half of 1,109 respondents had been abused by a woman partner in their lifetime.

Several smaller studies seem to support these findings as well; Coleman's 1990 study of 90 lesbians, for example, reported that 46.6% had experienced repeated acts of violence, and Ristock's 1994 survey of 113 lesbians reported that 41% been abused in at least one relationship with another woman. Studies of other populations in the LGBT community have documented even higher rates of abuse over respondents' lifetimes. The Portland, OR based Survivor Project's 1998 Gender, Violence, and Resource Access Survey of transgender and intersex individuals found that 50% of respondents had been raped or assaulted by a romantic partner, even though only 62% of these individuals identified themselves as "survivors" of domestic violence when asked.


As far as I can tell, we were both being civil.

Up date:

Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings From the National Violence Against Women Survey
http://www.nij.gov/pubs-sum/181867.htm

Domestic Violence Has Risen 15% Since 2008 Among LGBTQ Population Nationally
http://www.enewspf.com/index.php/lat...ion-nationally


U.S. sexuality survey shows homosexuals 107% more likely to engage in criminal activities...
http://www.tldm.org/News8/homosexual...alActivity.htm
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