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View Poll Results: How do you feel about racial slang?
I am extremely offended. 9 34.62%
I don't care if people use racial slang. To me, they're just words that people shouldn't be so upset by. 9 34.62%
I use racial slang from time to time, whether it's in a negative way or in joking. 8 30.77%
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Old 07-19-2008   #1
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Racial Slang

We have a few male members on the site that think it's ok and amusing to use racial slang, even though it is hurtful to many. They've said things like "they're just words" and "people get too offended". People do get offended.

CNN is having a special addressing the subject. It's called Black in America. The Jesse Jackson issue is going on now. The magazine cover of Obama caused a stir in the media. People don't want a black president. That's the bottom line. Tupac even said in "Changes" that we're not ready for a black president. I'll probably catch shit for quoting him. But racism is alive and thriving in America. There's always someone to hate. And there will always be. But I happen to believe racism and racial slurs are disgusting, no matter what race you are, but especially slang and derogatory comments towards minorities.

Women, gays, vegans and other groups are discriminated against too, but racism is the biggest problem, still.

So my question to you all is this: Who really does or does not feel that racial slang should be used? Who truly is offended and who doesn't give a rat's ass? And who uses racial slang on occassion and even on a daily basis? The poll will be private and I want people to answer honestly.
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^male members only?

I really do not care i have been called many things and i do not get that offended. usually people start to believe what they are being called and that is when it starts getting to them.
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We are allowed to insult people who choose what group they are part of. That's why we can insult vegans, religious people, women and gays.
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^so women get to pick that they are in the group of women?

i dislike everyone for the most part...only humans make me angry.

I have been called a bitch, cunt, asshole, redskin, cracker, wetback, and so on, mostly because i am a woman or have dark hair and eyes. Also i have been made fun of for being part indian such as "go open a casino, go booze it up-indians are drunks apparently, also was just told the other day i smell like maze. lol but who really cares, i do not let these people get under my skin whether they are playing or not.
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Well, God couldn't be so cruel as to not make it a choice.
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One of the most annoying phrases is "I have a right to my opinion." It's one of the laziest, least-I-could-do defenses of people who often speak in hateful, divisive, and uninformed ways. It doesn't matter to them if their reasons for speaking are flawed--they have a right, so they use it. Such a waste.

In a society with free speech, we also have a responsibility to meet bad speech with better speech. I think it's a good thing that there are social punishments for people who use racist language in harmful ways. I think Imus and Jackson were wrong, but it doesn't bother me at all when I hear it used by rappers or my black friends.
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Racial slurs bother me mostly for my little sister and other children who don't get an opportunity to understand why people speak ugly to them for no apparent reason. Skin color doesn't register as a problem in a young child's mind until it's taught. The pain on a small child's face from the tone of voice should be enough to set any adult straight on what is wrong or right.

Racism divides. What's the point in perpetuating it?

Historical use of racial slurs doesn't condone future and continued use.

What can be said about not making better choices when they are possible?
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Re: Racial Slang

i just hate when it seems okay for my black friends to say and call each other nigger. yet i am also not supposed to be hurt when some one calls me a cracker. i think most people find it okay to bag on white people or Asians but not blacks. if you are going to okay racial slurs in one culture it needs to be okay in all.

i do not appreciate being called names but since i am not a different skin color then i pretty much have to take it with a grain of salt. this has just been my experience here in the deep south.

not even with skin color though. most guys think they can just run around and call you a ho or bitch or slut as they feel needed.

this issue will not be easily fixed or explained. i feel like this thread is just going to piss people off, make some look racist, or just never end.
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Re: Racial Slang

We don't have control over all cultures, though we do have control over ourselves as individuals.

At least several times a day I am called some epithet for whites or "gringa" used impolitely more often than not because it's assumed I don't understand any spanish. Then there are the bilingual Hispanic store owners I work with who understand why I'm there, who go out of their way to translate when needed. Some of them are my best customers and they are also why I have repeat customers because they take the time to convey my purpose to other Hispanics, that being I'm really there to help not just take their money. So, tolerance can pay in more than one way.

I learned tolerance from little my sister, btw. She had grace and poise I'll never possess. Most of all she could smile through anything where I still cannot.

Refusing to help people who speak ugly about me to my face even as I'm helping them would accomplish what? Money is green. I am an adult who understands why they do what they do - it's nothing personal. They do it because they are also angry and take every opportunity to vent. However, when I treat them well they treat me well in return and the ugliness falls to the wayside as it should between adults who have mutual respect for each other.

I suppose the short version of this is two wrongs don't make a right.

I'm also not a child left wondering about all the "why's" in racism. My sister didn't reach adulthood more persecuted because she ended up with permanent brain damage at 15, but prior to that our mother and relatives treated her like shit because of her skin color.

Racial slurs keep how she was treated in the forefront of my thoughts and daily living. And if it weren't for her teaching me how to deal with it when we were kids, I wouldn't know how because our parents didn't do much.

And if this thread pisses people off, oh well. Someone was pissed off and motivated enough to start it, eh? :.)
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I think it's racist of you when I say "nigger" and you think "black."



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Racism is the subject so that's a weak comment at best :.)

But for the sake of argument why do you assume someone thinks "black" when the word nigger is used?

There are degrees of being niggardly which of course have nothing to do with racial slurs. But when people use the word nigger in a way that obviously references color, then what?
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Racial Slang had me confused I was thinking ya'll were going to be talking ebonics or other words used specifically by one race and not others.

Racial Slurs better describes what you are talking about
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I'm of mixed race, which has made it somewhat difficult for slurs as people assume that I'm only white and that it is therefore okay to joke about race (in all white company, of course). I look as white Caucasian (as opposed to Indian Caucasian) as can be, but I have a strong Hispanic background.

I've had friends tell me that my unemployment is due to the "fucking Mexicans," that our server is a "dirty 'spic," and that anyone who speaks Spanish needs to go back over the border (I daresay that my Cuban grandmother would not enjoy TJ... nor would I).

Conversely, I've had Hispanic relatives and friends complain about the "gringos" and--while in Costa Rica translating for my other family members--that stupid white Americans were the reason that the world has gone to shit.

Racial slurs may be socialized to the context of rap 'songs' or used in friendly context, but that doesn't change the segregating nature of their creation or meaning. Even if one African American calls another "nigger" and means "dude" or something of the like, it does not erase the history of the word as a derogatory, hurtful term.

Yes, it's silly to be scared of words or to ban their use, but out of respect for people who had to suffer the consequences of the social acceptance of those words and for the segregating ideals they represent I do not use them and do not condone their usage by anyone else.
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Who gives a shit what other people think? Just pity them if they are thinking wrong of you. Not a big fucking deal.
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This thread is full of niggers and jews.
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Racism is the subject so that's a weak comment at best :.)

But for the sake of argument why do you assume someone thinks "black" when the word nigger is used?

There are degrees of being niggardly which of course have nothing to do with racial slurs. But when people use the word nigger in a way that obviously references color, then what?

Then what? Then you're a racist. lol
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Why did you make a thread about "racial slang"?

Now you've made the words about race by using that phrase. Now you've made it impossible to disassociate race from the words.

The thread should have been made about "pejoratives" in general so that all could be discussed but instead it's been linked to race and that destroys the argument already.

Oh and I see that my.dragons.lady used "niggardly". You don't see that too often. I'm a bit of a niggard myself as I have no money.

That reminds me... a lot of people around here--due to that Southern drawl and all that--pronounce spigot, i.e. a faucet, as "spicket". I wonder if we should stop using it because I see a lot of Mexicans doing construction and plumbing and what-not.

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God damn Jason you are so pedantic. First off you don't even know what "pejoratives" means. Secondly we already talked about this whole niggardly thing. Thirdly you say spicket too, not spigot; the saying of spicket has nothing to with a southern accent, i think it has to do with southern stupidity.

also your a cracker, honky-ass motherfucker. why don't you go whip some slaves whitey.
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the guys think it's fun to be racist and get away with it by saying "it's just words".
Calling me a racist proves how misinformed you are.

I'm not "being" racist. I'm being a goddamn linguist. I hate when words "go bad".

It is, as if, by decree, a word that had a perfectly good and logical origin should be deemed bad for some reason.

"Kikeleh" means circle in Yiddish. A lot of Jews before the turn of the 20th century immigrated to America but were illiterate. In much the same way that an "X" can be signed in place of one's name, the illiterate Jews signed with a circle. 'X' as a symbol could mean something altogether as a Jew, if you think about it for a second.

I don't know when it became bad.

And so, I decree the following:

"Blah" is a pejorative for "black" and thus can no longer be used. You must express boredom another way.
"He" is a pejorative for "Hebrew" and thus can no longer be used. Make a new pronoun for a male.
"Why" is a pejorative for "white" and thus can no longer be used. And without that question, philosophy comes to a halt.

And here's a scenario for you:

Person 1: He is feeling blah today.
Person 2: Why?
Person 3: RACISTS!
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what the fuck jason? your such a fucking fascist. you leave that assholes post up with nigger but when i call you a slave whipping whitey, honky cracker-ass motherfucker you remove it? you are racist. dick.
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