America....Part 2

[Blackass]

This is for all you non-americans. Why dont you like america? im not gonna say anything else right now, i just want you to tell me why you dont like us.

Have your say then, mates

[neomp5]

just to clarify, i don't hate americans. i hate the american attitude. the attitude that their country is superior (superior enough to be referred to using the name of the entire western hemishpere) and the rest of the world is just a big target, made up of poor and starving unimportant wretches. there is an incredible amount of arrogance and ignorance. not that americans are incapable of learning, they're just taught that it's not important, so they appear stupid when they go to banff and ask "Where does Alberta end and Canada begin?". most american's aren't at that jaw-dropping level of ignorance, it's mostly the richh who are like that. even though the rich have the cash to learn whatever they want, they just don't feel it's important. the U.S. was built out of a war and has had a lot of wars since then, and their society is built around hero worship. that's part of why their military men do stupid things, like fire artillery at their own tanks, fly their planes into each other, or shoot rockets at canadian troops doing training. bleed black here is an example of the stereotypical american. someone no decent person would like. thankfully, few americans are like that, but "those who have nothing to say are always the loudest". americans also seem quick to anger, but it's not their fault, they live under a rule of fear. one where everybody has a killing machine. whatch bowling for columbine, and you'll know what i'm talking about.


i'm going to get a lot of hateful responses for this, but remember, i'm trying to put the blame on the american way, not the american people.

[Blackass]

Wait are you saying im somebody that no decent person would like? ive seen bowling for columbine, and its not anti american. rather it pro-gun control. neomp, you are refering to the streotypical american, ofwhich there are few(like you said). I have never heard of the military events you have listed. the information you recieve shows exactly what america isnt. we dont live under a rule of fear, if i had the time i could explain to you why the government could not take away our freedom, something very important to our founding fathers. you also make it seem that no country has had as many wars as we have, which is also wrong.Everbody does not own a gun here, but some do. its our constitutional right. we dont see the world like that. actually most of us live in ignorance, we dont really get a taste of the world out side of the US, but like a wise man once said "ignorance is bliss.."

i dont hate you neomp, i know it seems that way. im just sick and freaking tire of people tleling me that bush is a horrible president. hes done so much good, but since we have a liberal media only the bad is promoted. the same goes for canada, i dont hate canada, i just dont think it should be equivalated to the US becuase they are on two different scales completely.

[Rock ur socks]

American people are blind. Well not excalty blind, but like the horses that are on the streets of NYC. They have lil patch things over their eyes so they only see what it presented to them. The media has a lot of influence on the people here. Just look at Dean... He screamed while rallying some supporters and it got aired 600+ times in 4 days. His numbers declined and he's gone.

Bowling for Columbine had a lot of good points. They gave stats but not the whole truth of the stats. For example:

Michael Moore's stats:
Germany, 381 gun murders.
France, 255 gun murders.
Canada, 165 gun murders.
UK, 68 gun murders.
Australia, 65 gun murders.
Japan, 39 gun murders.
U.S., 11,127 gun murders.

CIA World Factbook 2002 population stats:
Germany, 83,251,851
France, 59,765,983
Canada, 31,902,268
U.K., 59,778,002
Australia, 19,546,792
Japan, 126,974,628
U.S., 280,562,489

A citizen of the U.S. is:
-- 8.7 times as likely as a citizen of Germany;
-- 9.3 times as likely as a citizen of France;
-- 7.7 times as likely as a citizen of Canada;
-- 35 times as likely as a citizen of the U.K.;
-- 11.9 times as likely as a citizen of Australia;
-- 129 times as likely as a citizen of Japan
to be murdered by a gun.
(http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/20...89_comment.php )

Percent of people killed in USA and Canada by guns...
USA .00396%
Canada .00193%
Yes, USA does have more killing by guns but percents give the real stats.

Yes, I am American but I know our faults.

[jyotishi]

As Rock_ur_socks mentioned, Bowling for Columbine expossed some very, very disturbing stats..., I don't remember the exact number, but Canada citizens had like 7 times more guns (per capita) than US citizens..and even then, the murder rate in Canada is much lower than here in the US..

One of the reasons why the murder rate is so low in other 1st world countries is becuase of the licenses and permits you need to obtain to be able to get a gun. Psych evaluations, weeks of waiting time (background checks), etc, etc...

[Yugoloth]

The reason that gun murders are so high in America is due to lax gun control laws. An unarmed populace in which the criminals have easy access to guns makes for lots of gun crimes. Extremely tight gun control laws, like they have in Europe, would reduce gun murders because there would be fewer guns availiable to criminals. If there were no gun control laws, then ordinary citizens would be able to defend themselves. However, in America, our gun control laws do nothing but disarm innocents, making them more vulnerable to criminals.

[kyle]

Danm Our Freedom And Rights Danm Us For Not Being Oppressed By Tyrants!!

[Jenn and tonic]

I would just like to say that though Americans DO have that attitude, not ALL of them do. Don't stereotype us. I don't believe we're any better than anyone else, and I can see our flaws, as can most americans. People here are no more ignorant than elsewhere. Neomp, it's pretty ignorant to say that all rich people, or all people are 'like that.' It's pretty ignorant to not be able to concede to people's points, and not WANT to concede your points when they've been proven wrong.

And also, the US was NOT built out of war. The US declared their independence, and Britain went to war to try and claim the US back.

I saw up there that neomp is banned but i thought i'd clear that up anyway.

[david]

Not Anti-american, Anti-fucking-bush!

Distinguish, Fools!

[Blackass]

Scourge, any reasons why? Oh and nice signature...not. I know there are some Christians out to convert the world, but i feel it's the other person's responsibility, not mine. there are a lot lke me. So could you please take that out of your signature...its descrimination, which is against the rules.

[neomp5]

you ask my opinion, and then you try to shoot it down?

Originally Said by Bleed Black

Wait are you saying im somebody that no decent person would like?

YES. YOU HAVE ALREADY GIVEN PLENTY OF REASON FOR ME OR ANYONE ELSE TO HATE YOU

ive seen bowling for columbine, and its not anti american.

IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE. IT'S PRO AMERICAN, IN THAT IT SHOWS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR COUNTRY THAT THE GOVERNMENT WON'T TELL THEM ABOUT. WHEN PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE BAD, THEY CAN CHANGE IT.

rather it pro-gun control.

ON THE SURFACE. IT ALSO WENT DEEP INTO THE AMERICAN MENTALITY (A MENTALITY OF FEAR), AND WHY GUN CONTROL IS NEEDED, AND COMPARED IT WITH THE CANADIAN MENTALITY

neomp, you are refering to the streotypical american, ofwhich there are few(like you said).

FEW, BUT A VERY VOCAL FEW. YOU BEING ONE OF THEM (ARE YOU SOUTHERN AND WHITE BY ANY CHANCE?)

I have never heard of the military events you have listed. the information you recieve shows exactly what america isnt. we dont live under a rule of fear,

IF YOU WATCHED BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE, YOU'D UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. GO RENT IT AND WHATCH THE PART THAT STARTS WITH "OR DID THEY?"

if i had the time i could explain to you why the government could not take away our freedom, something very important to our founding fathers.

BUT THEY HAVE ANYWAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE PATRIOT ACT IS?

you also make it seem that no country has had as many wars as we have, which is also wrong.Everbody does not own a gun here, but some do. its our constitutional right.

A RIGHT THAT WAS DESCIDED UPON WHEN PEOPLE LIVED ON HOMESTEADS IN FEAR OF WILD ANIMALS, NATIVES AFTER REVENGE, AND SLAVE UPRISINGS. MODERN SOCIETY DOES NOT NEED GUNS.

we dont see the world like that. actually most of us live in ignorance, we dont really get a taste of the world out side of the US, but like a wise man once said "ignorance is bliss.."

THAT'S LIKE SAYING GREED RULES THE WORLD. IT'S BAD, BUT TRUE. IT''S SOMETHING TO BE CHANGED

i dont hate you neomp, i know it seems that way. im just sick and freaking tire of people tleling me that bush is a horrible president.

WELL, HE IS

hes done so much good, but since we have a liberal media only the bad is promoted.

ALL THE GOOD THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE DONE CANNOT OUTWEIGH THE IRAQ WAR, MUCH LESS ALL THE OTHER HARMFUL AND ILLEGAL THINGS HE'S DONE. PLUS THE THINGS HE HASN'T DONE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.

the same goes for canada, i dont hate canada, i just dont think it should be equivalated to the US becuase they are on two different scales completely.

WHAT YOU MEAN IS YOU'RE UP ON A PEDESTAL, LOOKING DOWN ON ALL THE PUNY LITTLE UNIMPORTANT COUNTRIES, RIGHT? WELL, THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

[david]

Originally Said by Bleed Black

Scourge, any reasons why? Oh and nice signature...not. I know there are some Christians out to convert the world, but i feel it's the other person's responsibility, not mine. there are a lot lke me. So could you please take that out of your signature...its descrimination, which is against the rules.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=irony

See point 1C.

Also, my reasons for being Anti-American is.. well, i'm not. I'm anti-Bush. The guys cabinet and aides are fools.

Honestly.

Take one look at Afghanistaniraq. Sorry, i mean Afghanistan and Iraq. It's all one big oil field to them.

[HauntedMike]

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[neomp5]

Originally Said by kittydragon105

I would just like to say that though Americans DO have that attitude, not ALL of them do.

I BELEIVE I ALREADY STATED THAT

Don't stereotype us. I don't believe we're any better than anyone else, and I can see our flaws, as can most americans.

"harmful inaction is as wrong as harmful action"

People here are no more ignorant than elsewhere. Neomp, it's pretty ignorant to say that all rich people, or all people are 'like that.'

THEN QUIT PUTTING THE WORD "ALL" INTO WHAT I SAY

It's pretty ignorant to not be able to concede to people's points, and not WANT to concede your points when they've been proven wrong.

And also, the US was NOT built out of war. The US declared their independence, and Britain went to war to try and claim the US back.

ALL WE DID WAS ASK THEM NICELY.

I saw up there that neomp is banned but i thought i'd clear that up anyway.

I'M BANNED, WHY WASN'T I INFORMED?

Originally Said by Rock ur socks

American people are blind. Well not excalty blind, but like the horses that are on the streets of NYC. They have lil patch things over their eyes so they only see what it presented to them.

tunnel vision! tunnel vision! once again, somebody else phrases something better than i could hope to. you see why i use proverbs?

[Jenn and tonic]

Well, you were banned but i suppose it was a temporary thing.

What did you mean 'all we did was ask nicely.' Are you referring to Canada, or to the US? If you're referring to the US, they did not 'ask nicely.' In the declaration of independence, all of the king's wrongdoings toward America was cited, and they well, declared our independence. There was no 'asking' about it.

[neomp5]

Originally Said by kittydragon105

What did you mean 'all we did was ask nicely.' Are you referring to Canada, or to the US?

we. as in us. canada. to get our independance, we just got john a. to go up to queen victoria and ask.

[Jenn and tonic]

Originally Said by neomp5

we. as in us. canada. to get our independance, we just got john a. to go up to queen victoria and ask.

Question: What does that have to do with anything I'd said before? I was merely correcting you on your statement that America was built out of war, which was untrue. It took a war for us to gain our complete independence, but war did not have to happen for America to be built.

So where does Canada figure in?

[neomp5]

Originally Said by kittydragon105

Question: What does that have to do with anything I'd said before? I was merely correcting you on your statement that America was built out of war, which was untrue. It took a war for us to gain our complete independence, but war did not have to happen for America to be built.

So where does Canada figure in?

we never had a war, that's all. war was not the first thing we did as a country. the first thing we did after confederation was try to unite our entire area in the dominion.

[Yugoloth]

After the American war for independence, the British realized that they couldn't hold onto their colonies in North America, and knew that a war against Canada would be ultimately futile.

[neomp5]

Originally Said by Yugoloth

After the American war for independence, the British realized that they couldn't hold onto their colonies in North America, and knew that a war against Canada would be ultimately futile.

especially since the americans tried it and failed