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Old 02-16-2004   #21
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

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Well, I suppose this is me laughing at you. I've made numerous posts about Hussein's WMDs. Obviously you don't care that there is compelling evidence that points toward his posession of WMDs.
idiot. if there was compelling evidence, the weapons inspectors would not have declared that iraq did not have weapons, and the bush administration would not be investigating intelligence failure
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

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idiot. if there was compelling evidence, the weapons inspectors would not have declared that iraq did not have weapons, and the bush administration would not be investigating intelligence failure
Do you read the news? Do you read the posts on this forum? Apparently not. Go back and read them, then come back and tell me that.

Think about this. The UN ran a "humanitarian" oil-for-food program in Iraq, which provided relief for the humanitarian crisis caused by UN sanctions. The UN made a huge profit out of this charitable endeavor, and was never held accountable for the money. Most of it just vanished, undoubtedly into the pockets of UN officials. So, a war to remove Hussein would deprive the UN of this little windfall, because without Hussein the sanctions couldn't logically go on. So it would be beneficial for the UN inspectors to keep close-mouthed about WMDs. Plus, how is it you think that those weapons inspectors really knew anything? Iraq is a pretty big place. Do you really think that a handful of UN fops could search an entire country?
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Old 02-19-2004   #23
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

To give you some historical background, that champion of peace yasser arafat won the award in 1994...go figure.

I think Bush should have been considered for it in 2001 with his handling of the India-Pakistan nuclear arms contest. It was a brilliant case of diplomacy but was widely ignored by the mass media.

For all of you "war for oil" kool aid drinkers, please read the following with a list of folks who were making money off of saddam and the UN. Quite a few names from France, Russia, and a pretty famous name from the UK, who all by the way for some reason, were against the liberation of Iraq. I'm sure their hearts are in the right place though.



Saddam’s Gifts
Document: Saddam Supporters Received Lucrative Oil Contracts
By Brian Ross
ABCNEWS.com Jan. 29— ABCNEWS has obtained an extraordinary list that contains the names of prominent people around the world who supported Saddam Hussein's regime and were given oil contracts as a result.




All of the contracts were awarded from late 1997 until the U.S.-led war in March 2003. They were conducted under the aegis of the United Nations' oil-for-food program, which was designed to allow Iraq to sell oil in exchange for humanitarian goods.

The document was discovered several weeks ago in the files of the Iraqi Oil Ministry in Baghdad.

According to a copy obtained by ABCNEWS, some 270 prominent individuals, political parties or corporations in 47 countries were on a list of those given Iraq oil contracts instantly worth millions of dollars.

Today, the U.S.Treasury Department said that any American citizens found to be illegally involved could face prosecution.

"You are looking at a political slush fund that was buying political support for the regime of Saddam Hussein for the last six or seven years," said financial investigator John Fawcett.

Investigators say none of the people involved would have actually taken possession of oil, but rather just the right to buy the oil at a discounted price, which could be resold to a legitimate broker or oil company, at an average profit of about 50 cents a barrel.

List Includes Prominent Names

Among those named: Indonesia President Megawati Sukarnoputri, an outspoken opponent of U.S.-Iraq policy, who received a contract for 10 million barrels of oil — about a $5 million profit.

The son of the Syrian defense minister received 6 million barrels, according to the document, worth about $3 million.

George Galloway, a British member of Parliament, was also on the list to receive 19 million barrels of oil, a $9.5 million profit. A vocal critic of the Iraq war, Galloway denied any involvement to ABCNEWS earlier this year.

"I've never seen a bottle of oil, owned one or bought one," Galloway said in a previous interview with ABCNEWS.

According to the document, France was the second-largest beneficiary, with tens of millions of barrels awarded to Patrick Maugein, a close political associate and financial backer of French President Jacques Chirac.

Maugein, individually and through companies connected to him, received contracts for some 36 million barrels. Chirac's office said it was unaware of Maugein's deals, which Maugein told ABCNEWS are perfectly legal.

The single biggest set of contracts were given to the Russian government and Russian political figures, more than 1.3 billion barrels in all — including 92 million barrels to individual officials in the office of President Vladimir Putin.

Another 1 million barrels were contracted to the Russian ambassador to Baghdad, 137 million barrels of oil were given to the Russian Communist Party, and 5 million barrels were contracted to the Russian Orthodox Church.

Also on the list are the names of prominent journalists, two Iraqi-Americans, and a French priest who organized a meeting between the pope and Tariq Aziz, Saddam's deputy prime minister.

The following are the names of some of those who, according to the document, received Iraqi oil contracts (amounts are in millions of barrels of oil):

Russia
The Companies of the Russian Communist Party: 137 million
The Companies of the Liberal Democratic Party: 79.8 million
The Russian Committee for Solidarity with Iraq: 6.5 million and 12.5 million (2 separate contracts)
Head of the Russian Presidential Cabinet: 90 million
The Russian Orthodox Church: 5 million


France
Charles Pasqua, former minister of interior: 12 million
Trafigura (Patrick Maugein), businessman: 25 million
Ibex: 47.2 million
Bernard Merimee, former French ambassador to the United Nations: 3 million
Michel Grimard, founder of the French-Iraqi Export Club: 17.1 million


Syria
Firas Mostafa Tlass, son of Syria's defense minister: 6 million

Turkey
Zeynel Abidin Erdem: more than 27 million
Lotfy Doghan: more than 11 million

Indonesia
Megawati Sukarnoputri: 11 million

Spain
Ali Ballout, Lebanese journalist: 8.8 million

Yugoslavia
The Socialist Party: 22 million
Kostunica's Party: 6 million

Canada
Arthur Millholland, president and CEO of Oilexco: 9.5 million

Italy
Father Benjamin, a French Catholic priest who arranged a meeting between the pope and Tariq Aziz: 4.5 million
Roberto Frimigoni: 24.5 million

United States
Samir Vincent: 7 million
Shakir Alkhalaji: 10.5 million

United Kingdom
George Galloway, member of Parliament: 19 million
Mujaheddin Khalq: 36.5 million

South Africa
Tokyo Saxwale: 4 million

Jordan
Shaker bin Zaid: 6.5 million
The Jordanian Ministry of Energy: 5 million
Fawaz Zureikat: 6 million
Toujan Al Faisal, former member of Parliament: 3 million

Lebanon
The son of President Lahoud: 5.5 million

Egypt
Khaled Abdel Nasser: 16.5 million
Emad Al Galda, businessman and Parliament member: 14 million

Palestinian Territories
The Palestinian Liberation Organization: 4 million
Abu Al Abbas: 11.5 million

Qatar
Hamad bin Ali Al Thany: 14 million

Libya
Prime Minister Shukri Ghanem: 1 million

Chad
Foreign minister of Chad: 3 million

Brazil
The October 8th Movement: 4.5 million Myanmar (Burma)
The minister of the Forests of Myanmar: 5 million Ukraine
The Social Democratic Party: 8.5 million
The Communist Party: 6 million
The Socialist Party: 2 million
The FTD oil company: 2 million





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Do you read the news? Do you read the posts on this forum? Apparently not. Go back and read them, then come back and tell me that.

Think about this. The UN ran a "humanitarian" oil-for-food program in Iraq, which provided relief for the humanitarian crisis caused by UN sanctions. The UN made a huge profit out of this charitable endeavor, and was never held accountable for the money. Most of it just vanished, undoubtedly into the pockets of UN officials. So, a war to remove Hussein would deprive the UN of this little windfall, because without Hussein the sanctions couldn't logically go on. So it would be beneficial for the UN inspectors to keep close-mouthed about WMDs. Plus, how is it you think that those weapons inspectors really knew anything? Iraq is a pretty big place. Do you really think that a handful of UN fops could search an entire country?
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

okay, wait what exactly is bush getting a prize for? i'm just a bit lost here.....b/c i can't think of what he'd be awarded for. why does the world kiss his butt? yeah, sure, he has the most powerful military in the world....if you just peacefully ignored his egotistical presence...he has no reason to blow you up....he may try to make one up, but then the U.N. would have to stand in....i would hope, if the U.N. doesn't star living for it's purpose, i fear for this world...
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

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okay, wait what exactly is bush getting a prize for? i'm just a bit lost here.....b/c i can't think of what he'd be awarded for. why does the world kiss his butt? yeah, sure, he has the most powerful military in the world....if you just peacefully ignored his egotistical presence...he has no reason to blow you up....he may try to make one up, but then the U.N. would have to stand in....i would hope, if the U.N. doesn't star living for it's purpose, i fear for this world...
How is Bush egotistical?

And let's not forget that the inventor of the nobel prize invented dyanmite, not exactly the most peaceful thing.
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

Its just like the fact that the Chinese were creating a way to live forever and ended up with gun-powder. It was by accident that pennicillian was discovered. The nobel peace prize should go to someone worthy of it, not someone who's only goal in office was to over-throw a dictatorship. And I'm not even going to get into the deficit that he's procured for our country...
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

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And let's not forget that the inventor of the nobel prize invented dyanmite, not exactly the most peaceful thing.
Could you be any more patronising? Jesus. You make it sound like you're some sort of God.
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

Explain your reasoning and answer the question
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

to be more, honest, i guess i feel that things such as the nobel prize are just too .....i don't know how you'd describe it...but too "media-ized"....it seems like everything is used by the media for ratings....i have no evidence but of what i observe...the media wants to go overboard with the fact that george bush jr. was running for president and his father was a president....wow.....BIG DEAL....they have their noses in everything.....i think this world is just controlled by the bloody media at times....it just...simply....annoying! i don't know if anyone gets what i'm trying to say here, but it gets ridiculous sometimes
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Re: bush's nobel peace prize nomination

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And let's not forget that the inventor of the nobel prize invented dyanmite, not exactly the most peaceful thing.

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Could you be any more patronising? Jesus. You make it sound like you're some sort of God.

Me: I don't read that at all in his post. And I think he's trying to point out that one doesn't have to get the Peace prize for being a pacifist.

I don't think Bush should get it either, but I think there's a misunderstanding--one person nominated Bush, as far as I know. One. Thousands of nominators exist around the world, and they're free to nominate anyone they want. (Football was nominated once, as was Hitler in 1938). The hundreds of people who get nominated say nothing about the Peace Prize itself.
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