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Old 07-21-2007   #1
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Tolerance?

Most people, methinks, would readily agree that there is a certain level of 'tolerance' one should maintain toward other people -- an attitude of acceptance and (sometimes) “keeping your nose out of other people’s behavioral (or moral), philosophical, and religious affairs”-ness--but a question that has lately goaded (yes, goaded ) me is: Under what circumstances, and to what precise scope, should we maintain this tolerance?

In other, but equally convoluted, words, do you think there is anything -- any behavior or perhaps attitude -- we as a people should not (morally?) tolerate? And what, to you, does “tolerance” really mean, anyway?

Just out of curiosity.
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Old 07-22-2007   #2
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Re: Tolerance?

I honestly feel that people should never tolerate something or somebody that attempts to compromise their integrity.
Most forms of violence is intolerable as well.
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Re: Tolerance?

my tolerance, is usually politeness, open mindedness and friendliness. when i meet people...i'm polite, and friendly to...it's only after certain words/actions i become irritated enough to speak up. these are usually rudeness/idiocalness or imbecilic in nature. it's not really precise with me..
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Re: Tolerance?

Oh another thing I do not and will not tolerate, is cheating.
In my opinion, there should be no second chance giving to somebody who has cheated on them.
Even when there's kids involved. Lucky for me, I have only been cheated on once in my life...a long time ago.

It's a noble idea that people try to work things out (especially if there is a kid involved), but it is completely unrealistic to do anything other than cut the ties, move on, and move on to somebody else who's less likely to be a cheater.
The "forgiving and forgetting" part is irrelevant.
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Re: Tolerance?

anything that does harm. unfortunately for you, that includes belief.
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Re: Tolerance?

That is a very general statement you make, sir neo. There are always exceptions, as I'm sure you know. I feel as though the amount of tolerance paid should be relative to the scenario. For example, I'd feel more inclined to tolerate someone who lies about their age than someone who lies to justify an act of war.
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Re: Tolerance?

hm? should I assume that thumbnail was directed towards me?
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hm? should I assume that thumbnail was directed towards me?
It was directed in general to both you and Neo's replies
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Re: Tolerance?

well, I was basically saying that I'll tolerate minor transgressions provided they do negligible damage, but anything that causes serious harm is inexcusable.

Can't speak for neo though.. I shudder to think what he'd say if I were to do so
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For example, I'd feel more inclined to tolerate someone who lies about their age than someone who lies to justify an act of war.
you talk as though they're unrelated.
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Re: Tolerance?

It's interesting to read how you each interpreted my extremely vague, poorly-worded inquiry. *Sigh* Sorry.

Andrew, I may be wrong, but I do believe that Neo was directing this (subsequently quoted) little quip in my general direction. Again, I may be wrong.

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anything that does harm. unfortunately for you, that includes belief.
That definitely encompasses just about everything, yes, but I'm not sure what you mean by the second thing exactly.

*Pause*

I don't think that tolerance necessarily equates to forgiving a behavior or lifestyle, but it seems the more common usage of the word has come to mean "allowing" or "overlooking" a behavior. Forgiving entails establishing that a specific behavior is not moral in the first place, and then releasing a person from the obligation of recompense, punishment, or debt, while tolerance is a far more ambiguous thing more closely akin to accepting what others do regardless or for lack of a clearly established moral standard. I just wonder if this mentality of tolerance may lead to a sort of moral apathy or moral ambiguity...
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Re: Tolerance?

If they don't talk about it you don't need to know.

Just be polite-- and why wouldn't they tell you?

Oh and for npemo5, Let them all think what they want.
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That definitely encompasses just about everything, yes, but I'm not sure what you mean by the second thing exactly.
i mean that belief is a harmful act, and should not be tolerated.

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Oh and for npemo5, Let them all think what they want.
i would, but they don't. that's exactly the problem, they don't want to think. and that is harmful, either through error, inaction, or outright malice, due to apathy or ignorance cased by belief. every form of intentional harm, and much unintentional harm, is caused by one belief or another, even if it's something as simple as "i believe the speed limit doesn't apply to me because i'm a good driver".


without belief, every kind of harm would be eliminated except accidental, and even that would be greatly reduced because people would think things through instead of making assumptions.
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i would, but they don't. that's exactly the problem, they don't want to think. and that is harmful, either through error, inaction, or outright malice, due to apathy or ignorance cased by belief. every form of intentional harm, and much unintentional harm, is caused by one belief or another, even if it's something as simple as "i believe the speed limit doesn't apply to me because i'm a good driver".


without belief, every kind of harm would be eliminated except accidental, and even that would be greatly reduced because people would think things through instead of making assumptions.

lol are You sure about that?
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no, i'm not. haven't you been listening?
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Neo, you are so goddamn full of shit that wherever you go, the fields are fertilized and I know nothing about you, that makes me the smartest of all.

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Re: Tolerance?

upon reviewing the "more god" thread, i am forced to conclude that the person who posted under the name "EmperorChaos" in that thread is not the same person who just posted above. the old EC would make an argument when he dissagreed. this one's just a child throwing tantrums.


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upon reviewing the "more god" thread, i am forced to conclude that the person who posted under the name "EmperorChaos" in that thread is not the same person who just posted above. the old EC would make an argument when he dissagreed. this one's just a child throwing tantrums.


insults are effective only where emotion is present.
Obviously it bothered your emotions to some extent otherwise you probably wouldn't of responded at all.
I'm guessing when EmpChaos gets a few in him, his mean and bitter side comes out? So don't sweat it.

Hey Neomp5, how much porn do you have downloaded on your computer?
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Re: Tolerance?

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Obviously it bothered your emotions to some extent otherwise you probably wouldn't of responded at all.
proverbs 26:5

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I'm guessing when EmpChaos gets a few in him, his mean and bitter side comes out? So don't sweat it.
but compare with the previous EC:

"Finally, I'm not going to recheck this post so forgive any spelling errors or typos. I am a wee bit inebriated presently but my cable modem just started working again and I wanted to check up on this thread."

intoxicated yet reasonable.

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Hey Neomp5, how much porn do you have downloaded on your computer?
none whatsoever.
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