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Eugenics and Social Darwinism

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Another words, what do you think, what's your take?
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Re: Eugenics and Social Darwinism

Ooo! Good topic!

Eugenics--familiar. Social Darwinism, less familiar, but self-explanatory enough.

Questionable things, very questionable. The former being, well, the word "despotic" comes to mind; the latter being a potential danger if wrongly applied. To argue that people who have genetic defects are sometimes physically at a disadvantage, naturally fight against greater challenges, in society, is one thing; to say that those people should be prevented from reproducing or experiencing life as they see fit, is definitely quite another. No person is superior to another or less deserving of happiness; all people deserve love; and there is no excuse for discriminating against any person because of the way they were born. So, there seems to be a difference between using "Social Darwinism" as a theoretical or metaphorical description of society versus taking it into our own hands to ostracize people who are (physically or mentally, for example) disadvantaged.

So. That might be a(n obvious) take on the matter.
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Re: Eugenics and Social Darwinism

This may shed some more light on the subject...



http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-popu...r-dummies.html



Also, read the article titled "Tragedy of the Commons" by Garrett Hardin 1968.



And here something very revealing...



Henry Kissinger - Dec. 10, 1974, the U.S. National Security Council "National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests."



Here is a link to the Official declassified Government document...



http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf



Take a look at the CONFIDENTIAL section after the table of content.



If you're not in the mood to read the 200 page document, essentially, they're looking to farm human beings. The elite are the biggest funders of many such activist groups that promote themselves under the guise of "human rights."
We get to a part where they're discussing multiple ways to sterilize humans and the promotion to demoralize and destabilize the traditional family unit, to undermine the constitution, and in order to do so through such movements as feminism (was not really about women's rights), homosexuality, abortion, adoption...all under the guise of "human rights." And also through the use of vaccines, genetically engineered and processed foods, psychotropic drugs...and even global warming (the only thing that's causing global warming is the sun)...to name a few...all movements funded by the elite such as the Rockefeller foundation, George Soros and his Open Society Institute, and even guys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, so that we do not continue to reproduce. And who am I referring to when I say "we"...Well, that would be the 90% of what's commonly known as the "useless eaters" or the "servs"...those that do not belong to the elite or billionaire clubs in the world.
From the poor to the middle class...the average Joe.

Also, keep in mind that these elites (like the Rockefellers) control our federal reserve banking system (which is run like a drug cartel), and they have also funded both sides on every major war in the last 100 years or more. They control our political (both parties) and socioeconomic landscapes, as well as our mainstream media, which is not aimed to report the news, but rather to create news that distracts us by polarizing society against each other. What a better way to keep us from living out our fulfilling lives then creating a climate where all we do is spend our lives arguing against each other for the self and their selective group's "right" to live it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho%EF%BB%BF

Even Dave Chapelle has a pretty good idea of what's going on...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-6jP...e_gdata_player
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Re: Eugenics and Social Darwinism

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Ooo! Good topic!

Eugenics--familiar. Social Darwinism, less familiar, but self-explanatory enough.

Questionable things, very questionable. The former being, well, the word "despotic" comes to mind; the latter being a potential danger if wrongly applied. To argue that people who have genetic defects are sometimes physically at a disadvantage, naturally fight against greater challenges, in society, is one thing; to say that those people should be prevented from reproducing or experiencing life as they see fit, is definitely quite another. No person is superior to another or less deserving of happiness; all people deserve love; and there is no excuse for discriminating against any person because of the way they were born. So, there seems to be a difference between using "Social Darwinism" as a theoretical or metaphorical description of society versus taking it into our own hands to ostracize people who are (physically or mentally, for example) disadvantaged.

So. That might be a(n obvious) take on the matter.
Well put. I think the really interesting (and scary) thing will be when we're to the point of being able to give genetic enhancements to children in the womb. Such treatments would be expensive, would give wealthy children even more advantages, and create even more divisions between the rich and the poor.

We're not there yet, but I think it's inevitable. Unless we find out that genetics, environment, and social situations are too intertwined to do such enhancements.

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And here something very revealing...

Henry Kissinger - Dec. 10, 1974, the U.S. National Security Council "National Security Study Memorandum 200: Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests."

Here is a link to the Official declassified Government document...

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PCAAB500.pdf

Take a look at the CONFIDENTIAL section after the table of content.

If you're not in the mood to read the 200 page document, essentially, they're looking to farm human beings. The elite are the biggest funders of many such activist groups that promote themselves under the guise of "human rights."
We get to a part where they're discussing multiple ways to sterilize humans and the promotion to demoralize and destabilize the traditional family unit, to undermine the constitution, and in order to do so through such movements as feminism (was not really about women's rights), homosexuality, abortion, adoption...all under the guise of "human rights."
Funk, the topic is interesting and troubling enough without world-size conspiracies.

The United States already sterilized tens of thousands of its own citizens, and it didn't really hide that fact at the time. And it's not a controversial claim at all -- it's well-documented, just not well known. Unfortunately, it's harder to find on the Internet than conspiracy fantasies.

There have been a lot of horrible, horrible things done by governments, including our own. And the trouble is that sane people pointing out the real stuff start to sound crazy because there's so much ridiculous conspiracy stuff out there; it all starts to sound the same, even though it's not.

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Take a look at the CONFIDENTIAL section after the table of content.

If you're not in the mood to read the 200 page document, essentially, they're looking to farm human beings.
You know, I think fear-mongers like Alex Jones and other conspiracy salesman *hope* that people won't actually bother to read the official documents they cite (and distort). Instead, just watch the slick, well-edited video!

I've actually read that document. I read it because of the vaccine debate with mdl here: http://www.almostsmart.com/forums/sh...313#post358313

It's awful in its own way: it has a "there's enough of us white people, but way too many of you poor brown people in the world" feel to it, but it isn't what these conspiracy theorists think it is.

If you search for the document on the web, you'll see people linking it to world-changing conspiracies of EVERY POSSIBLE KIND, with different leaders and groups in charge of the whole thing. It's like a "Spin the Wheel of Conspiracy" game.

And here's a question the theorists never seem to consider: if this document is such a smoking gun for the "New World Order," why in the hell would it ever get released? Is the conspiracy that clumsy, that they can't block a Freedom of Information request or replace it with a fake, innocuous document?

(The conspiracy response to that question is "Maybe that's what's already happened!")
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Good questions and food for thought.
It has been said that the NWO pretty much hides in plain sight.
I tried to do some digging to see how and why the nssm 2000 became declassified, and so far this is the only thing I can find:

"Declassified in 1989, NSSM-200 was made public the following year when it was transferred to the United States National Archives in response to a request from a journalist. The document summarized United States population control policy and strategy in 1974 (as described in the next section). Despite massive and widespread demographic changes in the world over the past 30 years, NSSM-200 continues to reflect America's population control policy."


Also, I disagree with your fear-mongering label of Alex Jones.
Is he passionate about what he believes in? Yes.
But he always guides his views with an emphasis on MLK's message and approach.
I stand with guys like him, Jesse Ventura, and KRS One, the late Aaron Russo, and what they stand for. For me, their message came to me through my own research before I even knew what they were about or who some of them even were, and that resonates with me. However, I'm also interested in challenging their views as well, because it should never be about blind allegiance, which they never been about themselves. Whether they are called conspiracy wackos or enlightened patriots, they don't really care, as long as everybody has the chance and opportunity to hear their message.
I also stand with this girl's message...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD17a...e_gdata_player
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Re: Eugenics and Social Darwinism

Here's essentially Alex Jones' mission statement:

Our mission is not to cover-up atrocities, corruption, or make money by “gaming Google,” it’s merely to point people in the direction of material we think deserves at least as much attention as Lady GaGa showing her cleavage on Sesame Street.

All we are trying to do is expand people’s horizons and get them to consider a world of information beyond the utter garbage they are bombarded with by the heavily financed Madison Avenue propaganda machine.

The establishment has been able to enjoy complete domination over the information spectrum people have access to for decades, and now that a small chink of enlightenment is beginning to pierce that darkness, they don’t like it one bit.

A growing number of people are sick to the back teeth of the system engaging in behavior placement – telling them what to buy, what to wear, what to talk about, how to act, and what to think, and so any effort to wrest back some small degree of control over that process can only be a positive thing.
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Re: Eugenics and Social Darwinism

So look up the Bilderberg group, because they are a big component of the very elite groups I'm referring to here.
Well, I just notice that a new member by the name of "BildErBerger" just signed up on this forum.
Very ironic and strange...
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So are you pro health care for The Great Unwashed or do you see it as a master plan to sterilise America?
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Bilderberger is a known spambot, not a watchdog.

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^ Nice!

Bella V. Dodd (born Maria Assunta Isabella in Italy in 1904[1]; died 1964) was a member of the Communist Party of America (CPUSA) in the 1930s and 1940s who later became a vocal anti-communist. Biography Dodd was a graduate of Hunter College and New York University School of Law. She also served as head of the New York State Teachers Union. A schoolteacher and lawyer by profession, Dodd was an organizer for the CPUSA from 1932-1948, and from 1944 to '48 sat on the CPUSA's National Council. She was expelled from the CPUSA in 1949.[2] Ostensibly, Dodd was expelled for representing a landlord in a legal dispute with a renter -- a violation of CPUSA bylaws against recognition or defense of the right to private property. However, Dodd's expulsion from the CPUSA was part of a larger purge of following the ouster of Earl Browder as the CPUSA's General Secretary.[3]
In 1953, Dodd testified before the US Senate about widespread Communist infiltration of labor unions and other American groups. On March 11, 1953, The New York Times[4] The New York Times reported on March 8, 1954 that Bella Dodd "...warned yesterday that the 'materialistic philosophy,' [i.e., dialectical materialism ] which she said was now guiding public education, would eventually demoralize the nation."[5] ran a front page article entitled "Bella Dodd Asserts Reds Got Presidential Advisory Posts." The article reporting that Dodd "swore before the Senate Internal Security subcommittee today that Communists had got into many legislative offices of Congress and into a number of groups advising the President of the United States."
In 1954, her book School of Darkness was published, wherein she opined that the Communist Party's structure "was in reality a device to control the 'common man'.[6]

References:
^ School of Darkness, Chapter 1^ Starobin, Joseph Robert. American communism in crisis, 1943-1957. University of California Press, 1975. ISBN 0520027965^ Morgan, Ted. (2003) Reds: McCarthyism in 20th Century America. New York: Random House, ISBN 0679443991, p 172.^ Bella Dodd Asserts Reds Got Presidential Advisory Posts in NYT on March 11, 1953 (subscription required)^ Bella Dodd Assails Materialism In U.S. in NYT on March 8, 1954 (subscription required)^ School of Darkness, chapter 16.


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Bella V. Dodd (born Maria Assunta Isabella in Italy in 1904[1]; died 1964) was a member of the Communist Party of America (CPUSA) in the 1930s and 1940s who later became a vocal anti-communist. Biography Dodd was a graduate of Hunter College and New York University School of Law. She also served as head of the New York State Teachers Union. A schoolteacher and lawyer by profession, Dodd was an organizer for the CPUSA from 1932-1948, and from 1944 to '48 sat on the CPUSA's National Council. She was expelled from the CPUSA in 1949.[2] Ostensibly, Dodd was expelled for representing a landlord in a legal dispute with a renter -- a violation of CPUSA bylaws against recognition or defense of the right to private property. However, Dodd's expulsion from the CPUSA was part of a larger purge of following the ouster of Earl Browder as the CPUSA's General Secretary.[3]
In 1953, Dodd testified before the US Senate about widespread Communist infiltration of labor unions and other American groups. On March 11, 1953, The New York Times[4] The New York Times reported on March 8, 1954 that Bella Dodd "...warned yesterday that the 'materialistic philosophy,' [i.e., dialectical materialism ] which she said was now guiding public education, would eventually demoralize the nation."[5] ran a front page article entitled "Bella Dodd Asserts Reds Got Presidential Advisory Posts." The article reporting that Dodd "swore before the Senate Internal Security subcommittee today that Communists had got into many legislative offices of Congress and into a number of groups advising the President of the United States."
In 1954, her book School of Darkness was published, wherein she opined that the Communist Party's structure "was in reality a device to control the 'common man'.[6]

References:
^ School of Darkness, Chapter 1^ Starobin, Joseph Robert. American communism in crisis, 1943-1957. University of California Press, 1975. ISBN 0520027965^ Morgan, Ted. (2003) Reds: McCarthyism in 20th Century America. New York: Random House, ISBN 0679443991, p 172.^ Bella Dodd Asserts Reds Got Presidential Advisory Posts in NYT on March 11, 1953 (subscription required)^ Bella Dodd Assails Materialism In U.S. in NYT on March 8, 1954 (subscription required)^ School of Darkness, chapter 16.


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What conspiraloons often fail to realise is that it ain't "big gubmint" most of the time when these experements (and taht's what they are by the way) are conducted on ignorant (not using the term in a derogatory sense) people in poor countries - it's your heroic entrepeneurs (usually big pharmaceutical companies like Glaxo Smithcline (sp). And if Gubmint regulation was removed, as you advocate, they wouldnt have to go to Africa to do it - they could experement in the good ol' US of A!

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So are you pro health care for The Great Unwashed or do you see it as a master plan to sterilise America?
Haven't you even listened to that Ronald Reagan record? Universal healthcare is a trojan horse to usher in tyranny. Wibble wibble.

If Social medicine is so bad, why do US health stats stack up so badly against every other developed nation (all of which happen to have that evil socialist hospital watsit)? Why does Cuba, an essentially third world country in terms of economic prowess, piss all over you in just about every medical field?

I would say that free-market capitalism IS social darwinism writ large.

Eugenics are just advocated by a few hardcore, old school Nazis/Fascists and the lunatic fringe of the environmental movement.

Lesson over.
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If Social medicine is so bad, why do US health stats stack up so badly against every other developed nation (all of which happen to have that evil socialist hospital watsit)? Why does Cuba, an essentially third world country in terms of economic prowess, piss all over you in just about every medical field?
Because the average American has a terrible, terrible lifestyle. Despite being the home of the cheeseburger, Coca-Cola, all-you-can-eat buffets, and fried twinkies, we still all live in to our seventies. By the way, the US is currently 39th place in overall life expectancy, which isn't great, but I should point out that the difference between #39 (US) and #1 (Japan) is only 4 years.

We also have the highest survival rate in the world for breast and prostate cancer, and generally very high for most other forms of cancer; higher than the European average by a considerable margin.

In addition, the United States funds about 75% of the world's pharmaceutical research, much if which is then used in countries outside the US as unlicensed generic drugs.

I wouldn't dare attempt to cast aspersions on socialized medicine in general, but each system certainly has its own benefits and shortcomings.
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