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Old 11-10-2008   #81
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Re: Proposition 8

If it breaks down after any sort of consideration, the logic is not infallible.
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Re: Proposition 8

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Re: Proposition 8

As far as the rules of a valid arguement go, it is. Morality does not come into play when just looking at the validity of an arguement.

Im not saying its right morally, but it is a sound and valid arguement. Any else take a philosphy or statistics class?
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Of course its ironic. The logic of it is infallible though, as far as philosophy and arguement-structure goes.
Fact based logic is counter to philosophy which can be entirely subjective. The writers of our Constitutions, slaveowners or not, did everything possible to focus on protecting individual sovereignty. As Americans we are sworn to uphold our Constitutions. Why should any individual or group of individuals be allowed to claim what is important to them is more important altogether than protecting sovereignty for everyone?

What are you referring to as "it", when you say "the logic of it is infallible"?
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Homosexuals arent being denied any right that I am. A homosexual male cannot marry another male, and neither can I.

Hows that for logic.
A female can marry a male, but a male cannot; the female has a right the male does not, hence the male is denied a right.
A male can marry a female, but a female cannot; the male has a right the female does not, hence the female is denied a right.

The conjunction of these denials of rights is not compatible: denying each group of people a "comparable" right is still denying rights.
Therefore each person is being denied a right.
The relativity of rights is irrelevant ("it's ok to deny them a right if I'm denied it, too") because it does not change the fact that rights are being denied.

With the institution of gay marriage, both you and a homosexual male would gain the right to marry males, making you equal to women in that respect; both a homosexual female and a heterosexual female would gain the right to marry females, making them equal to males in that respect.
In such a situation, no rights would be denied with regards to marriage, making it the more logical of the choices.
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Re: Proposition 8

This world is full of double standards, but the only double standard I won't fight against is the idea of two or more lipstick lesbians in a relationship, and with myself in thee middle of it.
But at the same time, that serves to give us horny asshole guys less options, and that's no good. So I say that they pass a law that a woman can only get involved with another woman if and only if (1.) she is married to a man, (2.) the man is aware of the other woman and agrees to it, and most importantly, (3.) his wife and the other woman should share each other with the man both separately and at the same time when it comes to having sexual relations at any and all times.

Seriously though, I'm for not denying any of these rights to any consenting adult. That includes gays, lesbos, bisexuals, pansexuals, trisexuals, biheterosexuals, polygamists, and all those ladies who work out at Curves.
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Re: Proposition 8

It's Adam & Eve. Not Adam & Steve. lol
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God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve! Do you want to know the answer between religion and gays? I'll tell you: look in the Bible, look at Adam and Even and the Garden of Eden. We all know who sinned first. C'mon ladies, do you have to eat everything? No, no, I know you were hungry and there was a snake talking to you; stick to that story, we've bought it this long. It's kind of cute, too. Now God has to punish all of mankind.
What was woman's punishment? Do you know? Painful childbirth, menstrual cycles.
Man's punishment? We have to deal with women.
That's why I get upset when people say, 'God hates gays.' God doesn't hate gay people; he's just mad because they found a loophole in the system.
As much as you claim that women are conniving gold-diggers and that we're all out to get nice boys just to hurt them, I think you're just jealous of the homosexual men because they don't have to deal with us. =)
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I believe that sums up this whole thing.
Exactly the whole point, but your outdated bumper-sticker expression was really "gay."
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What are you talking about chick? I love you women.
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What are you talking about chick? I love you women.
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A Man is A man and he's asking ONE specific women to be his ultimate lady. They divorce because that lady is a conniving son of a bitch out to get him.
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first off, understand why he decides to marry ONE woman for the rest of HIS life..if that aint love then i dont know what is.

but with divorce being more common now a days-----why would a man want to love JUST ONE female, who will in turn steal his soul?
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oh and + most women are evil conniving whore bastards.
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you broads need to get your shit under control. you american bitches are getting away with too much and you're going to bring doomsday faster than youre little evil conniving no shred of human decency mind of yours can think to scheme your slimy trail of excess baggage and very bad decisions that is your life onto someone else while you take your grubby little hands, reaping everything you touch and slither away! Coward! Whore! Evil doer! YOU GET BACK HERE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR DAMN SELF!
These seem to indicate quite the opposite.
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^ah foxy, we all know pD has issues with women. Maybe he was once burned and vowed to never be hurt again and puts this front up. But in a way aren't you glad he is not with a woman the way he talks?
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Re: Proposition 8

Gay Rights Activists threaten an old lady, throw a cross she was holding to the ground, stomp on it, and intimidate her for a full five minutes. Fun stuff.

http://gatorgop.blogspot.com/2008/11...-at-no-on.html
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http://gatorgop.blogspot.com/2008/11...-at-no-on.html
As if anti-gay rights people are all non-violent, generally likable people:

Man beats two lesbians in front of their child at an elementary school.

I'm not insinuating that this in any way negates the horror that the elderly women faced--no matter what her beliefs she does not deserve to be assaulted--but that a one-sided presentation of events (i.e. only the ones that fit your argument) is misleading.
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Re: Proposition 8

Click on Bleed's link, watch the video, which is hilarious, and then scroll down and read the comments. Comedy gold. One guy says that gays have reptile brains, and marrying a woman will make their brains into a human brains.
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As if anti-gay rights people are all non-violent, generally likable people:

Man beats two lesbians in front of their child at an elementary school.

I'm not insinuating that this in any way negates the horror that the elderly women faced--no matter what her beliefs she does not deserve to be assaulted--but that a one-sided presentation of events (i.e. only the ones that fit your argument) is misleading.
Oh I didn't mean to make it an argument. And yeah, there are assholes on both sides. Just wanted to share that video somewhere.
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http://gatorgop.blogspot.com/2008/11...-at-no-on.html
As Andy (gay friend who passed away in 2005 from pancreatic cancer) has/would have said to me, "looks like someone crashed someone else's party and got booted. If there had been a legitimate violation, those bad old fudgepacking, muffmunching freaks would have been immediately shutdown and hauled away without incident."

It's common practice for people to stay with their groups or "side" at ralllies for the very reason shown at the video link you posted. I don't know about elsewhere, but those I've been to in IL, OH, VA, FL and CA were patroled by police, some more than others. (The VVAW rallies always are because people expect crazy armed vets to be present. They do come.)

The point though, is opposing sides generally maintain distance on their own or are kept separate. If anyone was pushing limits and being obnoxious, it was the lady with the cross who didn't stay put.

For all anyone knows, some or all of that could have been staged for publicity to benefit one side or the other. If it was, I suspect it was the lady with the cross. Sometimes any kind of attention serves a purpose, ya know?
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Re: Proposition 8

FOXY CHICK,

That has made me laugh. You actually went back thru my posts to find stuff I have said. It only looks bad because you have 5 different quotes, but each quote says the same thing. Same word. Conniving. And females are, they have told me this and I've learned it from them.


But anyway, Don't act like I don't know how to treat a lady. You should have seen me when I was a teenager.


Dana, I've been burned by girls who weren't even my girlfriend.


Dont get me wrong ever, I truly love you women. I think women are just too fuckin fine and beautiful. You just aint gonna control me with your boobs anymore, that's all.

That and I've been listening to too much Tom Leykis . Most of the females here probably would hate this guy, but seeing is the chicks here are kinda smart, you may dig what he says.
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