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Old 04-18-2005   #1
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Almost Smart Should Be Split

I have been on a trip (visiting Weasel, actually) and have just now gotten back. First of all, it was immature of funksonic7 to put a poll up there asking children whether he should stay or go. It's not really his website and, to be perfectly blunt, all of you are guests here just like you would be if you were visiting somebody's home.

Secondly, there is not one single adult person that I have spoken to about this subject that doesn't think there is something seriously wrong (morally and ethically) with this situation. One adult told me that just when I began speaking to her about the situation (31 year-old guy on AS talking about sex, and had only gotten that far in the explanation) that hairs on the back of her neck went up. I am here to tell you that virtually no rational adult in their mid-20's or above could condone this or think it is normal for an adult person to say they "enjoy" talking about sex with people of all ages, even if they are kids.

It even occurred to me while I was getting ready for this trip last Thursday that Weasel could be putting himself on the line legally with this situation. Strangely enough, when I went back to AS before I left, Kali had written a post suggesting the exact same thing. She said if anyone got into trouble for this legally, it would be Weasel because, as the administrator, he could be blamed for being too lax with the rules. Then she went on to defend funksonic's place on this website even though she had just broached the subject of Weasel's liability. What kind of a friend is that to Weasel?

When I arrived in Atlanta, along with my sister and her daughter, we had a long conversation about this in a restaurant. My sister's daughter said that people have been sued for the content of their websites. My cousin and her husband admitted that Weasel has maybe crossed over into a gray area here (that is, that AS could be classified a porno site with written porno on it which underage kids, that we are completely aware of, visit and that they read this material.) My 17 year-old daughter had even come up with a possible solution - splitting Almost Smart into two (or Weasel suggested a separate forum). It could be called something like Almost Smart for Adults (or somebody suggested, Not Nearly Smart Enough) that would be for adults only. I noticed a few of you also made posts suggesting the same thing. It would be like the porno sites where at least Weasel could cover himself legally by putting up a disclaimer that says that only 18+ adults could enter. Anybody who would go in there that he knows is under 18 would be kicked off.

I know that part of the problem is that Weasel regards many of you as friends, even if he has never met you, and he doesn't want to disappoint any of you. But it is entirely inappropriate for people to be putting some of the stuff that they put on this website to be read by children. Some of whom have only been out of elementary school one or two years. I tell people about Weasel's website sometimes, but the very next thing I say is, "don't go there. It's horrible and you'll be shocked." I am a liberal (as many of you know) and I can tolerate a lot, but this is just too much. I have even asked Weasel how he plans on having a potential employer go to this website as an example of his work when it looks the way it does. No employer would hire him after viewing some of this stuff.

And, if he got into trouble legally, I have also told him that none of these kids would step forward to pay any fines or legal fees. Most of them couldn't even if they wanted to. And I'm sure that he would never see a dime from funksonic - he would quickly and quietly disappear if things got hot. I know that he doesn't get much money from hardly any of you to suppport this website. Almost all of the financial support comes from me. So, if funksonic doesn't leave or if Weasel doesn't agree to split Almost Smart into two at least (which I think is a reasonable compromise), then I will withdraw that financial support. After all, Weasel is an adult now and he needs to make his own decisions, but if I don't agree with them, I'm not going to pay for them. And I would suggest all of you to start clicking on that PayPal account if you want to keep it the way it is. Since funksonic claims to have a job (although he wouldn't specify what kind when somebody asked him that question directly), and he is the one that wants to be allowed to write about sex, knowing that children (way underage) are reading it, he should be the first one to contribute.

Weasel said he would think about it. He doesn't have time to do it now since it's the end of the school year, but I told him he could do it when he got home in a few weeks.

One last P.S. I noticed that some of you referred to this Holokitty's thread. Well, I do have a life and I don't read all the threads, but I have read enough just to be shocked by some of what I have read. If I had known about that thread, I would have suggested this same compromise back then. And, no, funksonic, if she was writing about pedophilia, it's not funny, it's sick, and I hope she's getting help somewhere.

I find it strange that in a couple of posts, funksonic has mentioned what's legal to do with children and what's not. How does he know this stuff anyway? Did he research it, so that he could know just how far he could go?

Anyway, funksonic7, I have one other thought for you:
He said to his disciples, "Things that cause sin will inevitably occur, but woe to the person through whom they occur. It would be better for him if a millstone were put around his neck and he be thrown into the sea than for him to cause one of these little ones to sin. Luke, Chapter 17: 1-2
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Old 04-18-2005   #2
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Re: Almost Smart Should Be Split

how about a "preAS" for non worthy members.

its not fair that wonderful stellar amazing goregous and simply divine members like I must suffer for the freakishness of another member.

I will come to your house and CUT YOU. CUT YOUUUUU!!!
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Re: Almost Smart Should Be Split

you have serious, serious issues.

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It even occurred to me while I was getting ready for this trip last Thursday that Weasel could be putting himself on the line legally with this situation. Strangely enough, when I went back to AS before I left, Kali had written a post suggesting the exact same thing. She said if anyone got into trouble for this legally, it would be Weasel because, as the administrator, he could be blamed for being too lax with the rules. Then she went on to defend funksonic's place on this website even though she had just broached the subject of Weasel's liability. What kind of a friend is that to Weasel?
let me make this very clear for you:

firstly, i am not here to be friends with weasel, or with anyone else for that matter who i don't decide i want to be friends with. i didn't come here to make friends - i came here to talk and discuss issues with people who are meant to have the mental capacity to handle it.

having said that, weasel is a great guy, and i have absolutely nothing against him whatsoever. i wish i could say the same for his mother.

do not question what 'kind of a friend' i am. may i point out to you that in bringing up the liabilities he faced should this thing ever be picked up on by a legal authority, i was in no way being unfriendly - i was being informative and helpful. the last thing i want is to see weasel get into trouble of have this site pulled off the net, if only for his sake - he's put so much work into it.

however, by defending the right of funk to stay here was in no way breaching any sort of 'friendship' with weasel whatsoever. what i was saying - if you were paying attention - was that under weasel's own rules, funk has every right to stay here, and that if his actions on this site were deemed inappropriate, it is weasel's job to sort that out. not yours, not mine, not anybody else's - it's weasel's site; he makes these decisions.

as it is, by informing him [and you, and anyone else who read my posts] of the fact that he was the one that would have to face any sort of punishment if this issue leaked, your claiming that i am not being a good friend.

i warned weseal of the issues at hand here.

i made clear what the rules stated with regard to content of posts and threads.

i proved that there was no reason to hold funk accountable for what goes on on this website if weasel does nothing about it.

if a friend isn't somebody who warns you when your ass is on the line, and holds you to the same standards that you set for yourself, then i don't know what is.


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I find it strange that in a couple of posts, funksonic has mentioned what's legal to do with children and what's not. How does he know this stuff anyway? Did he research it, so that he could know just how far he could go?
i think you'll find that this sort of thing is common knowledge. you're insulting everyone's intelligence by assuming that it's ridiculous that a 31 year old know and understand the laws concerning age of consent.

if i were going to sink to your level, i'd ask you how you know about them.

the fact is that these are issues everyone knows about, whether because they're common sense, or because they're constantly in the news.

don't try and make things seem worse than they are.

we're not idiots.
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ahahahaha i can only imagine how embarrassing this must be for weasel.
You're probably right, but he has nothing to be embarrassed about. He doesn't write about sex and I don't think it was his intention to put all this stuff about sex on the website. It just happened over the course of some years. But now that it has happened, and it's getting worse and worse, some decision has to be made about it.

(He'll be a lot more embarrassed if somebody comes to his door with a subpoena.)

Also, Kali, here is another one of the "rules".

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I consider the posts about sex useless. I have a right to my opinion. Why are you attacking me? Did you read my post all the way through? Did you read the part about me financing this thing? Why don't you offer to finance it? I offered that as part of the solution in my post.

If you look at the "rules", they are extremely vague. It is obvious that they were written by somebody with no legal knowledge. It's sort of like some kid building a treehouse and then posting rules about who gets to use the treehouse. The "rules" are vague and can be interpreted in so many different ways from a legal standpoint.

Anyway, I'm not going to argue about it. Nobody has the right to tell me what to do with my money. I've made my decision. If it doesn't change, I'm withdrawing my financial support.
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how about a "preAS" for non worthy members.

its not fair that wonderful stellar amazing goregous and simply divine members like I must suffer for the freakishness of another member.
There would be nothing to prevent you from reading almost everything on Almost Smart. Under 18 year-olds would only be kept from the stuff about sex or other adult material.
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Re: Almost Smart Should Be Split

well....maybe we should vote on this....its not fair on the members below the age of 18...if you ask me, if this decision is taken without taking the under aged member's thoughts, feelings and view points into consideration, then the whole "you older members treat us like kids" thing will start again....which in turn will bring AS crashing down....all i'm saying is that voting would be the best option right now...
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well....maybe we should vote on this....its not fair on the members below the age of 18...if you ask me, if this decision is taken without taking the under aged member's thoughts, feelings and view points into consideration, then the whole "you older members treat us like kids" thing will start again....which in turn will bring AS crashing down....all i'm saying is that voting would be the best option right now...
shhhhh, let the adults talk.
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Re: Almost Smart Should Be Split

the sex posts are the only posts that are useless? when lots of them can be very informative if you have never had sex before?
but the threads that go on and on about nothing are useful?
and the debate threads where people argue on and on for days are useful?

you made clear in your last post that this is really and truly ultimately about control.
you want things your way. you are giving him a "my way or the highway" type ultimatum about his site.
that's not cool.
you say over and over it's eric's choice, then you tell him what his choices are.
I haven't seen anyone else on the site pitch such a fit to have things their way. Come off it already.
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i'm beginning to lose my rag here.

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Also, Kali, here is another one of the "rules".

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I consider the posts about sex useless. I have a right to my opinion. Why are you attacking me? Did you read my post all the way through? Did you read the part about me financing this thing? Why don't you offer to finance it? I offered that as part of the solution in my post.
i am not attacking you - in fact, i think if you read your own post [and yes, i did read the whole thing] you'll find that you attacked me as being a bad friend.

personally i find your blatant attacks on funk useless - they are full of assertion and opinion and have had absolutley no use other than to slate another member of the forum and allow you to vent your anger while playing the maternal figure to this site.

but i haven't said anything, because other people clearly don't see them as useless - and the same goes for funk's posts. just because you see them as useless does not mean that everyone else does.

of course you have a right to your opinion - just like every member of this site.

as for the financing: i never criticised your financing of this website. i think it's great that a mother is supporting her son financially, and it's great of you to encourage him to do this sort of thing.

why don't i offer to finance it? because i'm a 17 year old student who doesn't even have the money to go to university yet. i have other priorities in my life, and as much as i do like this website, there are other things that are more important to me - and it's as simple as that.

if i had the money, i'd be happy to donate some. as it is, all i can offer is my support, and gratitude to you for letting weasel do this.


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If you look at the "rules", they are extremely vague. It is obvious that they were written by somebody with no legal knowledge. It's sort of like some kid building a treehouse and then posting rules about who gets to use the treehouse. The "rules" are vague and can be interpreted in so many different ways from a legal standpoint.
and again, this is an issue that weasel has to sort out, not one that you can blame the members of this site for.

if the 'rules' are vague, then that's the fault of the rule maker. if they were made by somebody without any legal knowledge, then he should have taken the care to make sure there was nothing he could be caught out for.

i'm sorry that it's had to come to this. i think that weasel has done a great job with this website, but at the same time if there are issues with content, then it's due to how lax he lets the rules lie - it is no fault of anybody elses, least of all the members who are abiding by the rules. if weasel feels anyone is breaking those rules, he has the right stop them, or ban them completely.

when i first brought up the idea of separating this forum into two parts, i suggested it merely as a possibility, thinking that it would be a shame, especially seeing as having it this way places clear confidence in the posters to act maturely.

the more this goes on, the more i'm beginning to think having a forum just for the adults wouldn't be such a bad idea.

at least then the rest of us wouldn't have to deal with them.
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Re: Almost Smart Should Be Split

Like I've said at least twice before, I don't condone this and I won't pay for it. You disagree with me, simply click on the PayPal account link. End of discussion.
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Now, suppose one were to donate, could this be written off on taxes?
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Now, suppose one were to donate, could this be written off on taxes?
Sorry, no, I had to laugh a little. Almost Smart would not be considered a charitable donation. Wish it were. It might have saved me some money.
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Well, nevermind then.
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Re: Almost Smart Should Be Split

I think a disclaimer and an '18+ only' warning on posts with that sort of nature would be okay...along with a mod coming along and deleting posts/warning people younger than 18 who post in those threads.

I don't think AS should be split. We all know that kids have sex under the age of 18. But at the same time I do see something morally wrong with a 30 year old man asking girls if they look at porn. I know, I know, he didn't specify et cetera, et cetera, but you only have to look at the site to see that a lot of young, underage girls post on this forum and are bound to reply to anything that says 'porn' in it.

I say leave it up to Weasel. It's his site, his decision. I'd help contribute to the site if it comes to that, but I can't do it over paypal.
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Over so soon? God this thread reminds me of sex....


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re:should almost smart be split...

Just as I was about to post my view on the situation regarding the potential split of Almost Smart the thread was closed...now I believe that thread should have stayed open in an attempt to allow everyone to voice their opinion in the matter, so that Weasel could have an accurate view as to how people feel about this....the following is my post:(please keep in mind that this is just my opinion...

I personally think that this argument has very little validity and zero point...no one is clearly trying to solve the problem because to solve the problem you would have looked at potential answers from every angle including that of a person that may disagree with you...further more allow me to point out the painfully obvious here whatever the discussion topic of a thread is no matter if its pornographic in nature or talking about some band is an act of free speech...something no matter how hard one may try to take away this act it will never happen as it is a constitutional right...Amendment 1 of the constitution is as follows: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Now believe me the last thing I want to see is weasel get in trouble for indiscretions others have made and I do agree that something needs to be done with the issue at hand but the issue is for weasel and weasel alone to deal with, so fighting about this is just a little infantile in my opinion...everyone is entitled to freedom of speech like it or not even the younger members of Almost Smart.


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Re: should almost smart be split...

much to my dismay as i was about to leave you a link to referance the original topic of this it has been removed...
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Re: should almost smart be split...

This is the most... horrible, and yet sensible idea that has come around on AS. The idea of setting up a group for 18+ and leaving this for the -18 group IS logical. Except for these FACTS:

1-Many of the people under the age of 18 on this site are here because they have found this a good way to discuss adult topics with other people who are willing to ackknowledge they are younger, have good viewpoints, and even post adult conversations back to the younger members. Instead of just telling them to "Shut up you only 15, what do you know?"

2-Sex is innevetible (sp?), there-for how can you expect people under 18 to not even hear about it? At least on this site we are being informed by older people who have the power to disclaim rumours we hear from our immature friends.

3-As far as donating to AS. I would! But I can't. And I think that threatening to basically remove such a wonderful site from the internet (that IS what you would be doing if you carry though with your plan) just to get your own way is more childish than anything else taht has EVER happened on this site.

4-If you were so blatantly (sp?) obsene as to question funksonics knowledge of how far an adult can go with a minor then you need to go widen your horizon on the knowledge of the world. Even I have knowledge on topics that would be considered absolutely stupendous at my age.

So I think that splitting AS is ultimately NOT the solution. If however you were to find a way to divide those who are mature and well mannered from those who are immature and ridiculous then maybe I would consider it a elligable (sp?) idea.
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