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Re: 77 Non-Religious Reasons to Support Natural/Organic One Woman-One Man Marriage...

Originally Said by Comrade Marx
Here are two very good reasons to support same sex marriage from both a non-religious and religious stand point:
Kind of missed this before, but it seems relevant and fair to actually accurately represent the Christian view of marriage and homosexuality. So, here's a go.

That argument only follows from a non-religious standpoint, not Christian, despite what some say.

There is no basis in the Old Testament or in Jesus' teachings to support homosexual marriage or homosexual acts at all; in fact, the Bible describes homosexuality as immoral and it is listed among other sexually immoral behavior:

Marriage is a significant part of Christian beliefs and life as it represents God's relationship with Israel in the OT and Jesus' relationship to the church in the NT; the church, all Christians, are referred to symbolically as "the bride" of Christ:

"The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete." (John 3:29)

Tons more "bride" references here:

From one of the (many good) resources linked to that John 3 verse: "Contemplating marriage deepens understanding of God’s love for his people; examining God’s covenant love for his people similarly enriches an understanding of marriage."

This is the basis for Christian marriage (and the symbolism of marriage), a theme seen from Genesis to Revelation:

The book of 1 Corinthians is also quite insightful on this general topic (chapter 6):

12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything. 13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

And if you're feeling bold, read chapter 7:

The general public seems to know very little about the significance of marriage to Christians and why it is seen as such a defining thing. Just a little overview.

1. Personal Freedom
2. Human Rights

And before you think I am pulling stuff out of the air, isn't large portion of the old testament the story of how the Jews under an oppressive regime in Egypt rebelled and left the county...
Firstly, it's not really a large portion; it's primarily one book, of 39 books:

Secondly (and by that I mean, "firstly"), that summation of the story entirely excludes God.

If anything, the story of the Jews' emancipation represents the exact inverse of the effort to legalize gay marriage, as the former represents God's nation in their journey to follow Him and His laws (in fact that story includes the formation of the 10 commandments, and the latter represents humanity's pursuit of its own desires and its quest for self-fulfillment with no regard to God whatsoever or hostility toward God--as a rule. So, really, it would be quite difficult for those two quests to differ more.

and isn't one of the whole main points about Jesus's life to promote free will and human rights
Far from it. Human beings hardly need the idea of free will promoted to them, anyway; if "free will" means the philosophical and spiritual sense of free will (the freedom to act independently and voluntarily), that would be like promoting being human.

Jesus came to offer His kingdom to humanity, to be, after some ado, rejected by humanity, then to save humanity from its reckless and ubiquitous abuse of free will; he came to fix what was broken: Humanity's relationship to God. To this day, the majority of people continue to choose to reject God, even though he may be freely found at any time.

As for human rights as it is meant in this context, to me it seems Jesus saw past politics; He told the truth but did so in love. Hope that's what this was.

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