Jasmine (Jackthepanda) Banned?

[Ziech]

Apparently... Why? The picture? or because she pissed people off? What about Indiana Tones? His Avatar is just as bad as Jasmines picture. Now don't get me wrong.... Neither of them really offended me, I'm just making a point. I suppose if you post something in 20 someones user notes.... but she would have taken them out if someone had at least given her a warning or something? Come on what's that? No Warning? I don't know... it seems to me I have definately seen worse on AS, and nobody cared.

Does the management want to fill me in a bit here?

[Summer Gurl]

tha's pretty messed up i agree.... she was only haveing fun and she would have taken them away ... its sad i'm gonna cry

[Wobbie]

Just look at her usernotes for an explaination http://www.almostsmart.com/forums/usernote.php?u=1444&pp=20&page=4

[Summer Gurl]

I know ... but she was willing to take them off.

[Narnar]

Are those real people? O_o

[Ziech]

Just look at her usernotes for an explaination http://www.almostsmart.com/forums/usernote.php?u=1444&pp=20&page=4
But no warning?

[Summer Gurl]

jazzy said............and the thing is 1. there is nothing wrong with posting in people's user notes. 2. eric said there was nothing wrong with the pic and 3. eric SAID it was just because he got angry that he had to remove it

4.plus he banned for for three weeks without a warning
oh and 5. no one even ASKED ME to take it off, or said anything about it

[Narnar]

3 weeks is a bit steep IMO, I'd lower it but Eric would smite me.

[Wobbie]

I know ... but she was willing to take them off.
Maybe so, but it wasn't up to me (i thought it was amusing). It was up to Weasel, who had to go through and spend an hour deleting them. How do you think he felt?

[Summer Gurl]

... he could of asked her ... but i am sure he was no happy... but she would of taken them off i am sure... if he asked her too

[Ziech]

I guess... Weasel could have told her to delete them.

sorry, but nowhere in the rules does it say "be nice to eric's feelings"

[Wobbie]

I don't think she has the power to delete them, does she?

[Ziech]

She can edit them though can't she?

[Summer Gurl]

Yes She Can!

[Wobbie]

Can she? I can't remember, because as a mod, i can delete anything, so i can't see if i can delete just mine. But still, Weasel got lots of complaints, and regardless of his own opinions, he has to deal with complaints. Lay off him. He was doing his job.

[Hamana]

from what i know she can edit them, but not delete them.
just some questions besides... what would you think about if a person would have done it who joined just a few month or even weeks ago? would that make a different in your jugement? and should everyone be handeld the same way on AS?

[Summer Gurl]

.. we all know jazzy and that she was only jokeing around... so ... she should be unbanned... thats all that matters right now!

[Wobbie]

Good point Hamana. Sure, some people, like me, found it funny. But the people that complained had every right to. And (sorry jasmine, you know i still love ya) Weasel had every right to get angry at having to clean it all up because of the complaints.

[EmperorChaos]

So wait it took an hour to delete 20 pictures from the user notes?

It makes me wonder what processes go into deleting the offensive picture/user note in the first place.

Furthermore, as someone else said, isn't 3 weeks a little long to be banned? Especially for something so trivial. Weasel - you said so yourself that the picture wasn't the problem but the fact that you had to spend time deleting them. Three weeks? No offense, but that is quite an oppressive act.... fascist like, even.

[Jenn and tonic]

Sure she was joking around and we can all appreciate that, but some people don't want something like that in the usernotes. So, we complain to Eric, who has to deal with it. And I'm sure it's very annoying to have to go through usernotes and delete stuff like that.

So even though I know Jasmine would have gone back and edited if asked, I think the banning was fair. The few weeks was probably steep, but this is Eric's site and he- and Madre- pay for it. The majority of us don't. Ultimately it's his decision.

[Madre]

I'm not sure if it was only in 20 people's usernotes. I opened it up and he was right here in the room with me and saw it right away. Then later he told me "she sent it to everybody". So I'm guessing she sent it to everybody on AS. Right in this thread there are almost 20 people that know about it. So I think it was a lot more than 20 people that actually got it.

[Summer Gurl]

you can ask her to take it away ... and she will... she did it for me ... and i am not really mad

She did not send it to everyone ... just a few people... around 20 or so

[Narnar]

I didn't get one. :P

I just looked at her notes..

[Jenn and tonic]

you can ask her to take it away ... and she will... she did it for me ... and i am not really mad
I'm not, either....I just didn't want to see that every time I went to my usernotes. Didn't get the chance to ask Jasmine about removing it, though.

I do think it would be easier if people had the ability to edit their own usernotes, so that complaining to Eric wouldn't be necessary--we could just take out the offensive stuff ourselves.

[Summer Gurl]

well maybe you should of asked the person who put it there to take it off ,,, but you ran to eric... and did not even ask jazzy .... she was willing to take mine off.

[Jenn and tonic]

She wasn't on when I saw the usernote. I didn't think she posted it in others' usernotes, and I wasn't expecting her to be banned, so I PMed Eric. So sue me.

[Summer Gurl]

I should... and she was on .. the whole time cause... i was talking to wobbie and jazzy about the picture... so ... don't try to pull that one on me.

[Ziech]

I'm not sure if it was only in 20 people's usernotes. I opened it up and he was right here in the room with me and saw it right away. Then later he told me "she sent it to everybody". So I'm guessing she sent it to everybody on AS. Right in this thread there are almost 20 people that know about it. So I think it was a lot more than 20 people that actually got it.
Actually... Jazz said that she had sent it to everyone who was online for immediate results....
She got them alright, but I don't think that's what she had intended.

[Jenn and tonic]

I should... and she was on .. the whole time cause... i was talking to wobbie and jazzy about the picture... so ... don't try to pull that one on me.
I never saw her on in my screen.

[Wobbie]

And you had every right to PM eric Jenn. So don't listen to Zion.

Jasmine, you must've known that some people would find it funny, and some would find it stupid.

[Hamana]

Actually... Jazz said that she had sent it to everyone who was online for immediate results....
She got them alright, but I don't think that's what she had intended.
no... i got also one (well the PM that i got one... but it was deleted before i read it) and i was asleep while that happened...so i wasn´t on...

[EmperorChaos]

no... i got also one (well the PM that i got one... but it was deleted before i read it) and i was asleep while that happened...so i wasn´t on...

So you got a PM saying that you got one? But never saw what the user note actually was? Therefore you can't say "No" to the statement above referring to the fact that Jasmine only sent it to people online.

Because she didn't send you one.

[Jenn and tonic]

Any time you get a usernote, you get a PM about it. The usernote could be deleted before you see it but the PM is still there, Emperor.

I don't know whether she got the pic or not. And Jasmine may not have been picking people online, just 20 random people.

[paperwings]

the email implies that she got one but it was removed. Therefore jacktehpanda didnt send it to "Only online people at that time". :paranoid:

[Hamana]

So you got a PM saying that you got one? But never saw what the user note actually was? Therefore you can't say "No" to the statement above referring to the fact that Jasmine only sent it to people online.

Because she didn't send you one.
ok... just thought that because of the PM. so therefore i correct myself...i got a PM which tells about a user note... but never saw one.

[Jenn and tonic]

ok... just thought that because of the PM. so therefore i correct myself...i got a PM which tells about a user note... but never saw one.
Ask Eric if you got one, he was the one who went through and deleted them.

[EmperorChaos]

Why were they deleted for people who didn't complain about them? Or was this Eric fellow just deleting them all to save time and trouble?

I'm defending Jasmine not only because she is my friend but also because I don't believe that her actions warrant such an extensive ban, especially considering that she's a very active poster and keeps a lot of threads and debates alive, well, and flourishing.

Therefore, it is my opinion that Jasmine's punishment should have been a warning and her actions seen as a precedent for future rulebreaking. In other words, now the forum rules should read that "User notes of a distasteful nature are to be avoided" or something like that.

Doesn't that make sense?

[Jenn and tonic]

Why were they deleted for people who didn't complain about them? Or was this Eric fellow just deleting them all to save time and trouble?

I'm defending Jasmine not only because she is my friend but also because I don't believe that her actions warrant such an extensive ban, especially considering that she's a very active poster and keeps a lot of threads and debates alive, well, and flourishing.

Therefore, it is my opinion that Jasmine's punishment should have been a warning and her actions seen as a precedent for future rulebreaking. In other words, now the forum rules should read that "User notes of a distasteful nature are to be avoided" or something like that.

Doesn't that make sense?
I think Eric deleted the rest because he knew that complaints would come soon enough.

I think a warning would have been appropriate, and Jasmine has never willingly broken any big rules of AS. And I agree with your statement that she keeps threads flourishing.

It's out of our hands, though.

But I betcha this won't happen again. Maybe he just made an example out of her, or something.

[EmperorChaos]

I also noticed the forum rules were updated as of yesterday, June 5th 2005.

On a more personal note, I find it a little unsettling that so many people are bothered by this picture. Let's look at the facts:

1) It's an animated .gif of two people having sex.
2) The people in question are rather large.
3) Their overall girth mostly covers their "naughty regions".
4) The user notes on Jasmine's profile use the following terms or phrases to express their distaste to the picture:
* gagging
* gross
* lost appetite
* puking
* And Jenn and tonic never wants to think about fat people having sex ever.

What Jasmine did was an act of callowness, but in your responses a lot of you seem to have the air of a callow person as well. I mean... come on... it is two fat people having sex. The gelatin-like jiggles you see is the ripples of fat in motion. It's like two bears going at it only less hairy.

I can't for the life of me figure out why obesity and jiggling fat are so painful to the eyes, throat, stomach, and well-being of reasonable, intelligent individuals.

They are mere lipids! LIPIDS!! It's not like it's a fucking contagious virus or anything.

Who is the one being more offended here: the fat people fucking or the fat person typing to you now?

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And this is from Jasmine herself:

[01:21] ilike2scoot: if I knew it was going to cause so much freaking drama I would never have posted the shit

[Summer Gurl]

i think you said everything well .. ... chaos... hehe

[EmperorChaos]

i think you said everything well .. ... chaos... hehe


Thanks... not to toot my own horn... but I usually do. =P

I have a lot of "edgy" friends with whom I must deal carefully from time to time or else face their unabated wrath and unwarranted anger.

[Wobbie]

So everyne HAS to be okay with getting gif's of fat people having sex as a usernote? They had perfectly good reasons to complain! Again, i'm not attacking you Jasmine. You know i still love ya. But people did have the right to complain Emperor.

[Summer Gurl]

haha ... ahh that makes me laugh

[EmperorChaos]

So everyne HAS to be okay with getting gif of fat people having sex as a usernote? They had perfectly good reasons to complain!

I think you missed my point.

How many people would complain if they got a .gif of two thin people having sex if all you could really make out was the ass cheeks?

[Wobbie]

Lots would complain about getting any kind of porn as a usernote.

[EmperorChaos]

And then it looks like you editted your post whilst I was responding to the older, uneditted one.

Yes, they have the right to complain. But I think it comes down to the fact that these were two extremely obese people having sex. Anything else and Eric would have undoubtedly received fewer complaints.

[Wobbie]

Yeah, i just added stuff onto the end, and (sorry, edited again) I think he still would have got complaints with any kind of porn usernotes.

[J.C]

Lots would complain about getting any kind of porn as a usernote.I have to agree, I didn't get a usernote but I saw the pic and I didn't care. However, even at other boards I go to; even if you have a beauty woman in a bra and she...errr....fills it out well, many and I mean many still complain. Some people just have strict ethical and religious backgrounds or they still find that offensive and even any type of nudity is inappropiate to them. It was still tasteless to post the pic in the first place and by doing so some were offended and others wern't *I wasn't, but meh!*.

[Wobbie]

Yeah, exactly. I wasn't offended by Jasmine's usernote at all, but i can definitely see why people were, and would be, by any kind of porn, no matter how light.

[EmperorChaos]

I don't believe for a moment that anyone would be nearly as offended if the picture had been of "beautiful people". Go back to my post where I listed the words that were used to describe the picture.

If you're saying people would complain no matter what because it is porn... fine. I'll buy it. But to the extent, and obvious disgust, by which certain users displayed their disapproval.... it is quite obvious to me that the negative reaction came as a result of a predisposition towards disliking obese people.


And by the way, what of this then?

http://www.almostsmart.com/forums/image.php?u=541&dateline=1117573450

[Wobbie]

Make of that what you will. Different people may have complained because of different reasons.

Jasmine posted it in the first place, to make people laugh. Some people didn't find it funny, some did. That's what happened.

[J.C]

I don't believe for a moment that anyone would be nearly as offended if the picture had been of "beautiful people". Go back to my post where I listed the words that were used to describe the picture.



If you're saying people would complain no matter what because it is porn... fine. I'll buy it. But to the extent, and obvious disgust, by which certain users displayed their disapproval.... it is quite obvious to me that the negative reaction came as a result of a predisposition towards disliking obese people.

And by the way, what of this then?

http://www.almostsmart.com/forums/image.php?u=541&dateline=1117573450Trust me, I was shocked to how many people complained about some of the pics people posted in different threads at different boards. Even if the people in question are good looking. Also yeah, if the pic was two thin people having sex of course the comments would be different; but I pretty much guarntee there still will be many complaints.

Meh! big people need loving too, but if you post any people have sex at majority of discussion boards you pretty much get banned right away. It's all due to most of their rules state that no one can post poronography on the board. Here I forget the rules it's been awhile since I came back here.

Well normal porn is ok to me, but cartoon porn is sick to me. However, it might not be by other standards; it all depends on the person. You talk to people about hentai and some love it and others just hate it.

[EmperorChaos]

This is going nowhere... but it's all irrelevant...

There is nothing in the forum rules against what Jasmine did... nor is the reason she is banned because of the picture.

Look at her usernotes... Eric says that he has no problems with the picture, but rather, the fact that he had to spend an hour deleting the 20 or so user notes she left.

[J.C]

This is going nowhere... but it's all irrelevant...

There is nothing in the forum rules against what Jasmine did... nor is the reason she is banned because of the picture.

Look at her usernotes... Eric says that he has no problems with the picture, but rather, the fact that he had to spend an hour deleting the 20 or so user notes she left.
Hey I'm not saying Eric is right or wrong, but due to peoples comments he had to act. 3 weeks maybe steep, but on other boards you pretty much get a perm ban for posting stuff like that. All though I do find those boards too uptight; but they have to have those rules or their servers they keep the board on will terminate their contracts.

[EmperorChaos]

Meh! big people need loving too, but if you post any people have sex at majority of discussion boards you pretty much get banned right away. It's all due to most of their rules state that no one can post poronography on the board. Here I forget the rules it's been awhile since I came back here.

Well normal porn is ok to me, but cartoon porn is sick to me. However, it might not be by other standards; it all depends on the person. You talk to people about hentai and some love it and others just hate it.

I don't see any rules for this forum that state you cannot post porn. In my opinion, common sense and decency would dictate that you shouldn't, but there are no rules for Almost Smart that I see. I actually messaged Eric about that--stating that Jasmine's actions should be viewed as a precedent for future infractions but not be an immediate violation of a non-existent rule. Sure, this is his site and he can do what he wants. But if it were mine, I would much rather just use what has happened here as a precedent for a new rule. Otherwise it is hypocritical, in my opinion.

And I don't really care about the above cartoon porn I posted or any other kind for that matter. I was perusing the members list looking for something to support my claim.

[Wobbie]

Well, admins and mods have to respond to complaints. Not their personal opinions.

[EmperorChaos]

Hey I'm not saying Eric is right or wrong, but due to peoples comments he had to act. 3 weeks maybe steep, but on other boards you pretty much get a perm ban for posting stuff like that. All though I do find those boards too uptight; but they have to have those rules or their servers they keep the board on will terminate their contracts.

That's irrelevant. There was nothing wrong with the image. It was just a fat ass bobbing up and down. As I said, Eric was upset because he had to spend time deleting all of the images (which I don't seem to understand how 20 images could take up so much time to delete. Maybe a mod or admin could set me straight?).

And yes, he had to act. And he did. By deleting the images. A simple warning would have worked in place of the ban, in my opinion. Jasmine loves this site and posts on it constantly... she wouldn't risk getting banned if she'd been issued a warning.

[J.C]

I don't see any rules for this forum that state you cannot post porn. In my opinion, common sense and decency would dictate that you shouldn't, but there are no rules for Almost Smart that I see. I actually messaged Eric about that--stating that Jasmine's actions should be viewed as a precedent for future infractions but not be an immediate violation of a non-existent rule. Sure, this is his site and he can do what he wants. But if it were mine, I would much rather just use what has happened here as a precedent for a new rule. Otherwise it is hypocritical, in my opinion.

And I don't really care about the above cartoon porn I posted or any other kind for that matter. I was perusing the members list looking for something to support my claim.Tell you the truth I don't remember the rules, but it was very tasteless to post the pic in the first place (I still don't think it's bad). She did it not once, but multiple times in different notes which can also be called spamming and at different boards if you do that multiple times you get perm banned instantly. Once again I'm not saying Eric is right or wrong in this situation, I'm impartial and understand that those types of images offend people and Eric had to act. Did he take thr right action to act? some say yes, but others will say no. It really is hard to please everyone...especially me:ermm: I have anger issues *nods*

I am not offended by the cartoon I just think it's gross. It's like drawing pics of the Little Mermaid having sex with the Beast from Beauty and the Beast....why do people do that? beats me, but some people who see these types of things like to beat of.....nevermind.

[Wobbie]

It takes long because you have to go into every single person that you are deleting's usernotes. The time adds up. Say you went into 20 different people's profiles, but had to do something in each one. That would take up more time than you think. Plus responding to each person that complained, telling them you had deleted it.

[EmperorChaos]

Tell you the truth I don't remember the rules, but it was very tasteless to post the pic in the first place (I still don't think it's bad). She did it not once, but multiple times in different notes which can also be called spamming and at different boards if you do that multiple times you get perm banned instantly.


She wasn't spamming. Spamming is defined by posts that make up threads and not by user notes.

And could you stop referring to other boards? That's is completely irrelevant to this board.

This is going nowhere anyway. Your arguments are being based on another forum which probably has better established rules. User notes aren't even mentioned in this forum's rules.

[J.C]

That's irrelevant. There was nothing wrong with the image. It was just a fat ass bobbing up and down. As I said, Eric was upset because he had to spend time deleting all of the images (which I don't seem to understand how 20 images could take up so much time to delete. Maybe a mod or admin could set me straight?).



And yes, he had to act. And he did. By deleting the images. A simple warning would have worked in place of the ban, in my opinion. Jasmine loves this site and posts on it constantly... she wouldn't risk getting banned if she'd been issued a warning.

There are those who wern't offended by the pic, and others were. It's not irrelevant due to people were offended, even if it was standard porn there still would have people complain about it and saying it's "tasteless". That's like saying their opinions don't matter

Of course, but like you said common sense should have clued in that this will offend people and she should have not done it. Also I won;t comment on Eric's actions if it was the correct route or not, but in countless other boards he did the right thing but most would perm ban them.

[EmperorChaos]

It takes long because you have to go into every single person that you are deleting's usernotes. The time adds up. Say you went into 20 different people's profiles, but had to do something in each one. That would take up more time than you think. Plus responding to each person that complained, telling them you had deleted it.


No. That's wrong. Any sensible person who was doing something in each usernote would just be copying and pasting.

Likewise, any responses to the complaining person could also be easily copied and pasted.

Why do you two continue to make these ridiculous counterpoints to everything I say?

[J.C]

She wasn't spamming. Spamming is defined by posts that make up threads and not by user notes.

And could you stop referring to other boards? That's is completely irrelevant to this board.

This is going nowhere anyway. Your arguments are being based on another forum which probably has better established rules. User notes aren't even mentioned in this forum's rules.Actually technically if you post images like that constantly that is still considered spam. Even in shoutboxes at different boards, if you spam in them you get banned.

EDIT: Even if you send offensive pms or just send random pm to random people that's sill considered spam, even though it doesn't relate to their post count.

No, due to they are examples of other boards shows that he actually was easy on the situation. He runs a pretty laid-back approach to the board, plus 3 weeks is not that long. Do I think she should be banned that long? probally not.

Your her friend so you will defend her at all costs. I understand, but it was tasteless what she did. Step inside other peoples shoes and see it through their perspective. It didn't offend me, but it did others.

[sazzle]

I'm sorry but it's as simple as this:

BRING THE PANDA BACK!!!!!

She may have upset a few, but more offensive stuff has been posted on this site. 3 weeks is too much.

...my 2 cents

[J.C]

I'm sorry but it's as simple as this:

BRING THE PANDA BACK!!!!!

She may have upset a few, but more offensive stuff has been posted on this site. 3 weeks is too much.

...my 2 cents
Well if she did add to the community I don't see why not, I'm postive she learned her lesson now and probally from this feedback her "sentence" most likely will be reduced.

[sazzle]

She's one of the top posters, she's been here for ages, and i'm certain it wasn't inteneded to be callous or disgusting.

Seriously, she only posted it in friends user notes.

Eric u should really bring her back.

*hopes not to get yelled at....*:wink:

[J.C]

She's one of the top posters, she's been here for ages, and i'm certain it wasn't inteneded to be callous or disgusting.

Seriously, she only posted it in friends user notes.

Eric u should really bring her back.

*hopes not to get yelled at....*:wink:I don't know her due to I left the board for several months. Still shocked about the news of Spadetje

Well even though it was posted in friends user notes, people still were offended *shrugs*

Also why make a thread about this? why not pm Eric or Madre (I belive that;s her name)? people making these threads usually piss of mutliple people due to they get in arguements on who was right and wrong. Everyone has different opinions and beliefs from each other. Is one right over the other? can't say.

[Catwoman]

3 weeks for a fun picture? kinda harsh i would say

[Wobbie]

Why do you two continue to make these ridiculous counterpoints to everything I say?
Dude, lighten up. I'm only answering your question. My opinion is that 3 weeks is too long, but i'm just stating the facts, as i see them.

[J.C]

Dude, lighten up. I'm only answering your question. My opinion is that 3 weeks is too long, but i'm just stating the facts, as i see them.
Meh! she is one of his friends so he will be extra defensive when it comes to this.

[sazzle]

I don't know her due to I left the board for several months. Still shocked about the news of Spadetje

yea. i'd been a member for a while but only started posting again right after it happened. I didn't know her but its has affected everyone. Posting on this site is certinley reduced.

[EmperorChaos]

Actually technically if you post images like that constantly that is still considered spam. Even in shoutboxes at different boards, if you spam in them you get banned.

EDIT: Even if you send offensive pms or just send random pm to random people that's sill considered spam, even though it doesn't relate to their post count.

No, due to they are examples of other boards shows that he actually was easy on the situation. He runs a pretty laid-back approach to the board, plus 3 weeks is not that long. Do I think she should be banned that long? probally not.

Your her friend so you will defend her at all costs. I understand, but it was tasteless what she did. Step inside other peoples shoes and see it through their perspective. It didn't offend me, but it did others.

Posting:
* Do not flood the forums with useless posts.
* Keep replies to a thread on topic.
* Only make intelligent posts which have a purpose to the hundreds of people reading your message.
* Repeated posting of nonsense and spam in order to increase your point or post count will result in an IMMEDIATE ban.


I think we've violated several of those rules already.


And my point, which you seem to keep overlooking is that it is the responsibility of the forum adminstrators to specify their rules for the forum clearly. I'm not blaming anyone... but you can't keep referencing instances involving other sites you go to. I personally don't think that Almost Smart's rules are explicit enough. Hopefully this is something that Eric will look into so that incidents like Jasmine's ban and this ridiculous argument can be avoided in the future.
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For the record, I'm not her friend in real-life... only online. She dragged me to this forum to debate with her and I came. I found that many of those with whom I was debating were weak debaters that often skipped my points and restated their original points in different ways. In some situations, they create the inevitable straw man. This is generally where I just stop debating and quit posting. Thus, they think that they've won... but I've know the truth and that's what matters. Once a straw man is entered, the debate loses its fun.

[J.C]

Posting:
* Do not flood the forums with useless posts.
* Keep replies to a thread on topic.
* Only make intelligent posts which have a purpose to the hundreds of people reading your message.
* Repeated posting of nonsense and spam in order to increase your point or post count will result in an IMMEDIATE ban.

I think we've violated several of those rules already.

And my point, which you seem to keep overlooking is that it is the responsibility of the forum adminstrators to specify their rules for the forum clearly. I'm not blaming anyone... but you can't keep referencing instances involving other sites you go to. I personally don't think that Almost Smart's rules are explicit enough. Hopefully this is something that Eric will look into so that incidents like Jasmine's ban and this ridiculous argument can be avoided in the future.

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For the record, I'm not her friend in real-life... only online. She dragged me to this forum to debate with her and I came. I found that many of those with whom I was debating were weak debaters that often skipped my points and restated their original points in different ways. In some situations, they create the inevitable straw man. This is generally where I just stop debating and quit posting. Thus, they think that they've won... but I've know the truth and that's what matters. Once a straw man is entered, the debate loses its fun.Well she did all that, but with porn which is a no-no. I don't think it's bad, but some did since they complained. Well this entire thread is pointless, if you have a problem pm the admins and complain to them. That's what others did in this situation and that's what caused this all to unravel.

No I'm not overlooking it, like I said I'm not saying Eric's approach was correct or wrong, but common sense and damn well pretty much every other board states what she did was a huge no-no. Do I think she should have gotten a warning? yes possibly, but I didn't see how times she posted that pic in different usernotes. Oh I'm sure after this situation Eric probally will take action to avoid further drama. However, would there be this much debate if the person was around for just a few days? probally not.

Your still close right? Hey once again I'm not saying you or Eric are wrong as Nancy said "i'm just stating the facts, as i see them". BTW are you calling me a straw man? I don't even consider this to be a "real" debate anyways.

[Ziech]

Your still close right? Hey once again I'm not saying you or Eric are wrong as Nancy said "i'm just stating the facts, as i see them". BTW are you calling me a straw man?
I'm not exactly sure... but I think the straw man is where people are ignoring other users posts and just restating their own opinions without furthering the debate in any way shape or form.

[Wobbie]

This thread is turning into a repeatitive arguement, so it will be closed until Weasel can review the appeals, and come to a decision on what to do about it all.

[Weasel]

I'm going to unban her considering I didn't give any warning and this isn't mentioned explicitly in the rules.

A word of warning to everyone though...mass posting the same copy/paste post many times is a good way to make people mad. Especially if it makes you lose your lunch.